Walter & Group.........
Here are some of your answers to the quiz :-
From Pat Blackwell:
Let's try to answer these questions:
1.)
Name and describe 4 different, "grips".
Thumb on top
Finger on top
V-grip
3 point grip
2.) Which
one would you choose for maximum distance casting with a 5 wt. outfit
?
Thumb on
top
3.) Which one would you choose for maximum distance with a
12 wt. outfit and a large tarpon fly ?
Thumb on top
4.) You are fishing a 2 wt. outfit
for brookies in a windless situation requiring deadly accuracy. Which grip
might you choose ?
Finger on
top
5.) Go to the fly casting literature and provide a reference
with picture of each of the, "grips" you chose in question 1.)
Ed Jaworowski THE CAST page 19
Jason Boger NATURE OF FLY CASTING page's
41-47
Joan Wulff's FLY CASTING
TECHNIQUES page's 15-18
6.) What is your, "default grip"
?
Thumb on top.
One thing that I have noticed in my own casting
is that I tend to
make micro
adjustments in the position of my pointer finger opposite my thumb.
This
isn't occurring with
longer or shorter cast per se (although that does occur) or
between lighter and heavier
weight rods, it seems to occur more when my casting is
off a bit. Perhaps some sort of subconscious
correction. I wonder if any one else
has noticed the same thing?
7.)
Why did you chose that one ?
From everything I could read and in conversations with more
advanced casters it
appeared to offer the most control, especially
with a distance cast and or windy
conditions.
8.) What grip do
you choose for your beginning students ?
Thumb on top unless they have very small hands. Then I would go
with a V-grip or
3 point grip.
9.) Where is Roberto Pragliola's
TLT grip described ?
10.) When might you consider having your
student change his/her grip ?
To relax
a "death grip", if they have a physical impairment, most
important
to increase
control of the cast.
11.)
Can you come up with a better term than GRIP ???
While I understand Ally's point, the term grip is universally
understood. Weather it
be
a baseball bat, tennis racquet, pool cue or a fly rod, the part that we hold
is usually called a grip, and the way we
hold it is called a grip. Just another
confusioning
point in the English languish???
With that in mind I would think that
the term HOLD would work well for some
(most)
students,
especially for those that want to squeeze the glue from between the cork
rings.
Pat
Blackwell
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From Craig Buckbee:
Let's try to answer these questions:
1.) Name and describe 4 different, "grips".
thumb on top _ thumb on top in line with spine of rod, bit of arch to thumb (air space under) as if holding a door handle with push button. fingers curled underneath.
thumb slightly to side with index finger extended _ the natural way. index finger and thumb sistered together.
key grip _ thumb slightly to side with index finger curled but separated from other fingers. palm of index knuckle
bearing directly on top of cork.
only the index finger extended. thumb curled under cork.
2.) Which one would you choose for maximum distance casting with a 5 wt. outfit ?
me? the index finger. though of recent the key grip. at this year's fly shows here in the northeast, tim rajeff had me give the key grip a try. i am trying. it seems to help with my tracking issue(s)
3.) Which one would you choose for maximum distance with a 12 wt. outfit and a large tarpon fly ?
i guess the answer you're looking for is the thumb on top. never having cast a 12 weight, the heaviest outfit i fish is a #10 for stripers, and with that i switch off between index finger extended and thumb.
4.) You are fishing a 2 wt. outfit for brookies in a windless situation requiring deadly accuracy. Which grip might you choose ?
index finger extended.
5.) Go to the fly casting literature and provide a reference with picture of each of the, "grips" you chose in question
1.)
joan wulff, fly casting techniques. pgs 15-18
6.) What is your, "default grip" ?
index finger and thumb extended.
7.) Why did you chose that one ?
seemed (s) natural. not taught. much like in drawing, using silverware, and some tools. allows me to make my arm an extension of the rod.
8.) What grip do you choose for your beginning students ?
thumb on top, though an index and thumb extended grip may help with wristing students.
9.) Where is Roberto Pragliola's TLT grip described ?
?? i found some info about a GLX rod (euro sites). but i'm on dial-up so pix are tough to get.
10.) When might you consider having your student change his/her grip ?
when the present one is causing a problem. also, if they are holding the cork as if it were a framing hammer, that is to say if all fingers and thumb are curled around cork.
11.) Can you come up with a better term than GRIP ???
grip is fine. one can firmly grip, gently grip...
craig
--------------Gordy,
two things i failed to mention in my initial quiz reply:
1) the little + ring fingers can play an important role during final rotation (power snap).
they work to drive (pull) the handle into the wrist/forearm as the thumb on top pushes.
2) while we humans are in a relaxed state with our fingers 3/4s extended, birds are not.
they are relaxed with fingers (toes) curled, hence their ability to sleep while perched and
not fall.
craig
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From Kat Wagner:
answer these questions:
1.) Name and describe 4 different, "grips".
2.) Which one would you choose for maximum distance casting with a 5 wt. outfit ? Thumb on top
3.) Which one would you choose for maximum distance with a 12 wt. outfit and a large tarpon fly ? Same or Three-point grip
4.) You are fishing a 2 wt. outfit for brookies in a windless situation requiring deadly accuracy. Which grip might you choose ? foreinger on top
5.) Go to the fly casting literature and provide a reference with picture of each of the, "grips" you chose in question 1.) Thumb on top - page 18 of Wuff's "Fly Casting Accuaracy"; Three-point grip - page 204 of Gary Borger's Presentation or page 45 of jason Borger's "Nature of Fly Casting", Finger on Top Grip - page 44 of Jason Borger's "Nature of Fly Casting"; Couldn't find a picture of V grip, but found literature on it
6.) What is your, "default grip" ? Thumb on top grip
7.) Why did you chose that one ? Feels the most comfortable for me, and gives me the most control
8.) What grip do you choose for your beginning students ? Thumb on top is the starter, since they see me use it. However, I show different grips and have them try them out to see what feels and works best for them.
9.) Where is Roberto Pragliola's TLT grip described ? Sorry... stumped on this one. Only thing I could find is the G.Loomis rod, Robert Pragliola's TLT, but not the grip.
10.) When might you consider having your student change his/her grip ? If they are trying to work on something specific, such as gaining most distance, more accuracy, or even having joint pain caused from a grip used incorrectly.
11.) Can you come up with a better term than GRIP ??? Nope... best described as "the way you hold the rod". :)
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From Lou Bruno:
Let's try to answer these
questions:
1.)
Name and describe 4 different,
"grips".
Three point contact – There
are three areas of contact made with the casting hand. The heal of the hand, the
little finger and ring finger, the thumb, middle finger and index finger. Where
they are positioned on the handle is important. The heal is positioned on the
real seat. The little and ring finger basically hold the handle. The thumb and
middle finger are opposite each other with the thump positioned on the upper
half of the handle. Finally, the index finger is extended along the upper half
of the handle.
V Grip – The junction of
the thumb and index finger is positioned on the top of the handle in line with
the center line of the rod.
Suitcase Grip – Thumb on
top, four fingers under the handle. This is another name for the Thumb on top
grip. Another name is the Primary grip.
Extended Finger – Extend
the forefinger either on top of the handle or along the side. The rest of the
fingers wrap around the handle.
2.)
Which one would you choose for maximum distance casting with a 5 wt.
outfit ? Suitcase/thumb
on top. This grip is the best when trying to achieve distance due to the extra
power required to achieve maximum
distance.
3.)
Which one would you choose for maximum distance with a 12 wt. outfit and a
large tarpon fly ? Maximum
distance means thumb on top grip. But, with the heavier rod and with tarpon that
could mean wind. The V grip could be a better choice. The V grip allows for a
stronger grip, and more control with the combination of distance and heavier
outfit I would use the V grip.
4.)
You are fishing a 2 wt. outfit for brookies in a windless situation requiring
deadly accuracy. Which grip might you choose ? Extended finger, then the three point
grip.
5.)
Go to the fly casting literature and provide a reference with picture of each of
the, "grips" you chose in question 1.)
Suitcase/Primary/Thumb
on top – Fly Casting Techniques by Joan Wulff page16. Master Instructor Study
Guide page 67.
V –
Grip – The Cast by Ed Jaworowski page 19.
Extended
Finger – Nature of Fly Casting by Jason Borger page 44.
Three
Point Contact - Nature of Fly Casting by Jason Borger page
45.
6.)
What is your, "default grip" ?
Thumb on top grip.
7.)
Why did you chose that one ? This is the grip I initially used and I feel the most
comfortable with this grip.
8.)
What grip do you choose for your beginning students ? I teach the thumb of top grip but I have the students
try the extended finger. The thumb on top grip allows the students to experience
the power this grip provides. Whereas, the extended finger grip allows the
students to experience the control that this grip
provides.
9.)
Where is Roberto Pragliola's TLT grip described ? Nature
of Fly Casting by Jason Borger page 49.
10.)
When might you consider having your student change his/her grip ? When they become fatigued.
When the student’s ability to perform a certain grip is hindered due to a
physical condition (age or injury).
11.) Can you come up with a better term than GRIP ??? How about “setting your hand?”
Lou
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From Jerry Puckett:
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From Michael Jones:
Gordy:
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