ol Al... I agree with the answers in red. One technicality,
however, is that we've already established that we do NOT need a full
stop for all casts. While it may be best to have that stop for most
casts, the thing that IS mandatory for loop formation is a point
where the rod is straight...even for an instant. ie., "RSP". This
can occur with sufficient deceleration of the rod tip movement even
if a true stop isn't achieved. (Paul Arden has clearly made that
point.).........what's important to loop formation is that at RSP,
the moving fly line can overtake the rod tip.....and it can do that
as long as the tip movement is slower than the movement of the fly
line.
Gordy
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From: /"Allen Crise" <flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx>/
To: /"Rod Henderson" <roderickmpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Jerry Puckett"
<jerry_puckett2001@xxxxxxxxx>,"Ron Mc Quary"
<codyfly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Wes Hodgson" <fifasoccer@xxxxxxx>,"Gary
Eaton" <geaton@xxxxxxx>,"Travis Burt" <tburt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Sonny
Hinojosa" <csonnyh@xxxxxxxxx>,"Dennis Burns"
<Dennis.Burns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Marshall Lasswell"
<mlasswell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"jeff jackson"
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Till" <till@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Dale Connally"
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Richard" <KRichard@xxxxxxx>,"Steve Hollensed"
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Clower" <lcclower@xxxxxxxxxxx>,"Ken Cole"
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Wood" <brushycreekfc@xxxxxxxxx>,"Don DeRidder" <ddr125@xxxxxxx>,"dave
Speer" <dave@xxxxxxxxx>,"Clay Roberts"
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<Troy.Miller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Harvey Harris" <Hlhpc@xxxxxxx>,"ol Al"
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Subject: /FW: FW: Distance Casting/
Date: /Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:00:05 -0600/
FROM RON ALLEN CRISE FFF MASTER CASTING INSTRUCTOR SOC VP OF
EDUCATION HAWK RIDGE FLYCASTING SCHOOL 2508 A COUNTY ROAD 1011 GLEN
ROSE, TX 76043 254-897-2045 GEOCITIES.COM/RRDOCTOR FLYSOUP@xxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
FROM: Ron Thomas [mailto:koolfly1@xxxxxxxxxxx]
SENT: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:58 PM
TO: flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx
SUBJECT: RE: FW: Distance Casting
HEY AL, HERE IS MY RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION THAT I POSED... HOWDY
AL, ONE QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE STUDY GROUP, I WAS
READING THE ORVIS FLY CASTING GUIDE BY TOM DECK AND I READ AN EXCERPT
BY THE AUTHOR THAT PERTAINS TO SHOOTING LINE WHILE DISTANCE CASTING.
AT WHAT POINT WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE LINE SHOULD BE RELEASED OUT OF
THE LINE HAND DURING THE SHOOT WHETHER THE CASTER IS DOUBLE HAULING
OR JUST SHOOTING LINE? A. BEFORE THE ROD UNLOADS ON THE FORWARD
CAST. NO, IF THE LINE IS RELASED BEFORE THE ROD STOPS, THE AMOUNT OF
SLACK IN THE LINE FROM THE LINE HAND TO THE STRIPPING GUIDE EYE IS
TAKEN UP WITH ROD MOTION. AS THE LINE SLIDES THROUGH THE GUIDES AS
THE ROD MOVES FORWARD, THE LINE IS NO LONGER ANCHORED AND NO LOOP
FORMATION. THIS EVIDENT BY THE LINE PILING IN FRONT OF THE CASTER.
B. AS SOON AS THE ROD UNLOADS ON THE FORWARD CAST. IF THE LINE IS
RELEASED AT THIS POINT, AND YOU ARE CASTING, SAY 60FT OF LINE. YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOOT HALF THAT AMOUNT. BUT IF THE LINE IS
RELEASED AS THE ROD STOPS, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH LINE SPEED TO PULL
THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF LINE THAT YOU ARE SHOOTING, DUE TO THE
SIMULTANEOUS RELEASE OF THE LINE AND THE STOPPING OF THE ROD. C.
AFTER THE ROD UNLOADS AND THE LOOP HAS FORMED AND IS IN FRONT OF THE
CASTER. YES, THIS IS THE IDEAL POINT IN WHICH TO RELEASE THE LINE
FOR THE SHOOT. AS THE LOOP IS FORMED AND YOU CAN SEE LOOP IN FRONT
OF YOU, RELEASING THE LINE AT THIS POINT FOR THE SHOOT WILL HELP YOU
TO ACHIEVE THE DISTANCE DESIRED. WE KNOW THAT THE ROD HAS TO COME TO
A STOP AND UNLOAD, THIS ACTION TRANSFERS THE ENERGY OF THE ROD TO THE
FLY LINE. IF DOUBLE HAULING OR SHOOTING LINE, WHICH SCENARIO IS
APPROPRIATE A, B, OR C TO GAIN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF DISTANCE DURING
THE RELEASE OF THE LINE IN THE LINE HAND? Ron Allen Thomas,
FFF Certified Casting Instructor
1715 21st Street
Lake Charles, Louisiana 70601
337.802.1922 -------------------------
From: /"Allen Crise" <flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx>/
To: /"Rod Henderson" <roderickmpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Jerry Puckett"
<jerry_puckett2001@xxxxxxxxx>,"Ron Mc Quary"
<codyfly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Wes Hodgson" <fifasoccer@xxxxxxx>,"Gary
Eaton" <geaton@xxxxxxx>,"Travis Burt" <tburt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Sonny
Hinojosa" <csonnyh@xxxxxxxxx>,"Dennis Burns"
<Dennis.Burns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Marshall Lasswell"
<mlasswell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"jeff jackson"
<tjjackson3@xxxxxxxxx>,"Rusty dunn" <caandu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"John
Till" <till@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Dale Connally"
<Dale_Connally@xxxxxxxxxx>,"gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>,"keith
Richard" <KRichard@xxxxxxx>,"Steve Hollensed"
<stevehollensed@xxxxxxxxxx>,"Ron Allen Thomas"
<koolfly1@xxxxxxxxxxx>,"Matt Wilhem" <educate@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"LC
Clower" <lcclower@xxxxxxxxxxx>,"Ken Cole"
<ken.cole@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"james Parker"
<james.parker3@xxxxxxxxxxx>,"James Russell"
<jrussell1128@xxxxxxxxx>,"Harry Boyd" <maker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Gary
Wood" <brushycreekfc@xxxxxxxxx>,"Don DeRidder" <ddr125@xxxxxxx>,"dave
Speer" <dave@xxxxxxxxx>,"Clay Roberts"
<CRoberts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"cindy Alexander"
<calex75773@xxxxxxxxx>,"Stacy Trimble"
<stacytrimble@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Steve Barlow"
<steve.barlow1@xxxxxxxxxxx>,"john Deardorff"
<jdeardorff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"david Bradley"
<dallasflyfisher@xxxxxxxxx>,"Troy Miller"
<Troy.Miller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Harvey Harris" <Hlhpc@xxxxxxx>,"ol Al"
<flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx>,"Don McCurry" <donmcmurry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Kevin
Hensley" <jargo432@xxxxxxxxx>,"Ronnie Ray"
<Ronnie.Ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"Ryan watters"
<rwatters11@xxxxxxxxxxx>,"David Brydon" <david.brydon@xxxxxxx>/
Subject: /FW: Distance Casting/
Date: /Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:29:36 -0600/
HOWDY GANG. GOT THIS FROM RON. GOOD QUESTIONS I AM NOT SURE WHAT TOM
DECK SAID. CHECK MY ANSWER AT THE BOTTOM. OL AL ALLEN CRISE FFF
MASTER CASTING INSTRUCTOR SOC VP OF EDUCATION HAWK RIDGE FLYCASTING
SCHOOL 2508 A COUNTY ROAD 1011 GLEN ROSE, TX 76043 254-897-2045
GEOCITIES.COM/RRDOCTOR FLYSOUP@xxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message-----
FROM: Ron Thomas [mailto:koolfly1@xxxxxxxxxxx]
SENT: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:58 PM
TO: flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx
SUBJECT: Distance Casting
HOWDY AL, ONE QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE STUDY GROUP, I
WAS READING THE ORVIS FLY CASTING GUIDE BY TOM DECK AND I READ AN
EXCERPT BY THE AUTHOR THAT PERTAINS TO SHOOTING LINE WHILE DISTANCE
CASTING. AT WHAT POINT WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE LINE SHOULD BE
RELEASED OUT OF THE LINE HAND DURING THE SHOOT WHETHER THE CASTER IS
DOUBLE HAULING OR JUST SHOOTING LINE? A. BEFORE THE ROD UNLOADS ON
THE FORWARD CAST. B. AS SOON AS THE ROD UNLOADS ON THE FORWARD CAST.
C. AFTER THE ROD UNLOADS AND THE LOOP HAS FORMED AND IS IN FRONT OF
THE CASTER. WE KNOW THAT THE ROD HAS TO COME TO A STOP AND UNLOAD,
THIS ACTION TRANSFERS THE ENERGY OF THE ROD TO THE FLY LINE. IF
DOUBLE HAULING OR SHOOTING LINE, WHICH SCENARIO IS APPROPRIATE A, B,
OR C TO GAIN THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF DISTANCE DURING THE RELEASE OF THE
LINE IN THE LINE HAND? THANKS, Ron Allen Thomas,
FFF Certified Casting Instructor
1715 21st Street
Lake Charles, Louisiana 70601
337.802.1922 IF YOU PICKED A. YOUR ROD WOULD UNLOAD STRAIGHT UP
SENDING THE LOOP THE WRONG WAY. IF YOU PICKED B. YOU WOULD BE
CASTING SLACK AS THE LOOP WOULD FALL APART LETTING THE ENERGY DESTROY
THE LOOP. IF YOU PICKED C YOU WOULD BE SENDING THE LOOP OUT IN THE
DIRECTION OF THE SPEED UP AND STOP. JUST LIKE YOU SHOULD. OL AL