Learning by DOING !

Walter & Group...

[GH] Key word answer = DOING.

"THE QUINTESSENCE OF LEARNING IS DOING."

"THE QUINTESSENCE OF TEACHING IS INSPIRATION."

Mel Krieger *

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From Guy Manning. I included his attachment:

Gordy,

I have been watching this thread with amazement. I guess I am surprised no one has gotten this.

The most fundamental part of learning fly casting is to learn by doing. There is no way to learn fly casting without it. Doing is the most purposeful direct experience possible, and leads to assimilation of the lesson. Assimilation is a high form of learning. The attached pdf is a slide from my teaching and learning lecture.

Guy Manning

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[GH] Guy,

Five of our members did get it. Several more did so after the last hint. I purposely withheld their answers to allow others to try. As you can see, some of the others used different words to say essentially the same thing or to get close.

You are 100% correct. Until and unless the fly rod is in the student''s hands and he starts DOING, he cannot learn fly casting.

Thanks for sharing your teaching/learning slide.

I'll bet that we could take someone who was well motivated to learn to fly cast and have him watch and listen while instructors demonstrated, also have him read everything under the sun about fly casting and do this for years. THEN... hand him a fly rod and ask him to cast and wonder why he couldn't really do it.

Gordy

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[GH] Some additional answers and comments:

From Jerry Puckett:

Learning by inspiration---

Thanks Mel, Tom White, Gordy, Gary and Jason Borger etc. this list is a long one and getting longer.

Jerry Puckett

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From Michael Heritage:

''When I host an MCI oral exam, I won't play the, "what am I thinking game" which sometimes can lead to the candidate getting into "state of mind" concerns including the perceived notion that inability to come up with the one magic word or statement will result in a flunk.'' ...Gordy

I'm so glad you wrote that Gordy. It was done to me in my MCCI and I have to admit I have been guilty of doing it when I have tested. I was discussing it with a friend the other day and we both decided it wasn't a good thing. Especially when you discover the word they were trying to get out of you and you don't necessarily agree with it!

Mike

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From John Sally:

Hi Gordy

Create a good atmosphere for learning and it will happen all by itself.

This applies to any skill.

John Sally

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From Jim Rainey:

Gordy: his “Observations…” Mel said that the student of fly casting best learns through persistence, patience, and self-discovery, that the instructor best teaches through encouragement, inspiration, and communication, and that the ideal student-teacher relationship is reached when the two “develop genuine trust in each other,” a connection that Mel believed is best described by the word “love.” Mel concluded by stating that “This wonderful connection, this excited life experience of two or more becoming one is the summit of our teaching mountain, our ‘raison d’être’.”

Jim

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[GH] Jim,

Mel did write that.

One goes through periods of self discovery by DOING.

Mel also said: "It is, dear friends, the student who teaches her or him self to cast a fly." *

Gordy

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From Tom Dempsey:

Mel was the king of pantomime.

Tom in Mobile

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[GH] Tom,

I'd even consider pantomime as a form of DOING.

Gordy

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>From Ernie French:

Determination. I swore I was the only person on the world that couldn't learn how to cast. Then I made a deal with myself. I was going to practice three times a week for 45 minutes across the street in the cemetery. Previously when I would practice I'd get frustrated in a few minutes and give up. Now I forced myself to stay in the cemetery for the full 45 minutes and try to overcome my frustrations. Even if I got discouraged I forced myself to stay. It was that determination and commitment that turned the corner for me.

Ernie

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[GH] Ernie,

You were learning by DOING !

Practice in the cemetery must have been peaceful... no distractions.

Gordy

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From David Lambert:

Gordy -

I'm with Lyth Hartz: I think we learn through our (and others') mistakes, though I try not to use the terms 'mistake and failure' when teaching. I like the terms 'efficient and inefficient. Seems efficiency is what we really want to achieve. The term 'Inefficiency' seems to soften critiques, at least in my mind. I recognize these won't work in all situations, though.

Cool posts and responses here. Thanks

David

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[GH] OK! The student doesn't learn from his mistakes unless he is DOING.

Gordy

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From Pat Blackwell:

Hi Gordy,

Something I've been using and I believe most of us have (although the words may be different) in order to be effective instructors.

The quote is from the late John Wooden, the great UCLA basketball coach.

The Laws of Learning

The four laws of learning are explanation, demonstration,

imitation, and repetition. The goal is to create a correct habit

that can be produced instinctively under great pressure.

To make sure this goal was achieved, I created eight laws

of learning; namely, explanation, demonstration, imitation,

repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition.

Pat

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Pat,

Repetition is fine .... only when the student practices with a set of goals in mind.

Simply repeating an exercise won't result in much improvement without practicing with purpose and goals for improvement.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

- Albert Einstein

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html

Gordy

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* OBSERVATIONS ON TEACHING FLYCASTING, by Mel Krieger, 1993, the Federation of Fly Fishers, p.4.

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