RE: RE: A drafty draft

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Walter...

 

I agree.

 

CONTROL is the answer.

 

G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Simbirski [mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:02 AM
To: Gordon Hill
Cc: 'Server Sadiki'
Subject: Re: RE: A drafty draft

Gordy 

I think this will be similar to telling the student not to bend their wrist
when our goal is to develop a controlled wrist action.

For the beginner the easiest thing to start with will be to physically stop
the rod. If they continue to learn they will realize that the position where
the rod unloads is more important than a dead stop. What will change
here is that an instructor seeing that the student is ready to take this
step should no longer be telling them to go back to physically stopping
the rod but rather guiding them through the process of learning how to
control line trajectory and controlling their grip when they don't make a
hard stop.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:52 pm
Subject: RE: A drafty draft
To: 'Walter Simbirski' <simbirsw@xxxxxxx>, 'Server Sadiki' <ssadik1@xxxxxxx>

> Walter & Server:
>  
> To me this is crystal clear !
>  
> Of course, the draft needs to be "cleaned up" just a bit .... a
> couple of
> minor typo's addressed, and the references added.
>  
> Important, I think, is the fact that the STOP is addressed in
> terms of
> ceasing to accelerate as well as providing a firm base holding
> the rod as it
> straightens.  Also, the concept that the less time taken to cease
> acceleration, the faster the unloading.  This despite the
> fact that once we
> have ceased to accelerate altogether, the timing of rod
> unloading from that
> point is a constant.
>  
> The idea that we have continued acceleration even as we reduce
> accelerationuntil we reach zero acceleration will, I think,
> create a spark of
> understanding to those who might not otherwise understand. 
> This fits with
> the average instructor's concept of a "quick stop".  What
> he is really
> doing, in other words, is quickly going from a given
> acceleration to zero
> and calling it a "stop".
>  
> I noticed that the terms "deceleration" and "negative
> acceleration" were not
> used in describing this.
>  
> Interesting that the timing of the "unloading" process has no
> impact on the
> total energy released.
>  
> So why stop ?  Especially when we see that elite casters do
> this and achieve
> greater distances ???? (This will be the crux of uninformed
> disagreement) 
> The answers are multiple and appear in text as:
>  
> 1.) Acceleration is reduced to zero in less time.
>  
> 2.) A firm base is supplied against which the rod can unflex.
>  
> 3.) It helps provide control the rod tip path.
>  
> 4.) Trajectory is more efficiently controlled.
>  
> It still boils down to the fact that 1.) - 4.) can be
> accomplished by the
> student being instructed to STOP.  This student doesn't
> need to know that
> this isn't what he's really doing or the fact that his most important
> accomplishment is the reduction of acceleration to zero as
> rapidly as he can
> along with the provision of a firm base for rod unload.  In
> fact, teaching
> the average student the physics behind the whole thing might
> well lead to
> frustration.
>  
> YET THE MASTER INSTRUCTOR SHOULD LEARN THIS TO HAVE AN IN DEPTH
> UNDERSTANDING AS BACKGROUND FOR HIS/HER TEACHING .
>  
>  
> I'll provide one of the references:
>  
> TEACHING YOURSELF TO FLY CAST by Bill Gammel, Video production
> Produced by:
> Gammel Outdoor Services, Copyright Bill Gammel;, 2002. 
> ISBN 0-9722435-0-X .
>  
> Gordy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walter Simbirski [mailto:simbirsw@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:54 PM
> To: Gordon Hill; Server Sadiki
> Subject: A drafty draft
>
>
> As promised - here is a drafty draft of the stop paper awaiting
> comment. 
> Server - if you can forward to Alex?
>  
> Thanks everyone
>  
> Walter
>
>