Distance - the "170 cast" / Technical stuff / Testing ethics

Les had sent these links to me with Chase's permission. Chase had provided them. Les mentioned that he had injured his back while performing them. I highlighted in bold italics, a suggestion for a Group response G :

Hi Gordy, Les,

Feel free. The cast goes by few names, been around for a long time with many variations. What's most interesting to me is the haul timing. A couple other casters do the same. I'll leave the group to try and figure out why, then I can try putting in my two cents if you like.

Here's the original video. Goes by too quick to see anything, which is why I made the gifs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2vh_8ianDQ

Sorry you hurt your back, Les. :( I hurt my back several times when I first tried it too. Gave up on it for a while. Had to learn to turn without using my back muscles toward the cast ). Putting your casting foot backwards minimizes the amount of twist needed.

See you in Loveland this year, Gordy?

Cheers,

Chase

Below are links to the back cast of the 170 cast. It's a cast with a 170 degree casting arc.

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Les Rosenthal had pointed out in one of his messages, that some of our material was technical. Here is my answer to him:

PS: Note that our Group messages teach by TOPIC . One of the study habits I find so effective for MCCI candidates is to do this with multiple references rather than simply reading each book all the way through. I recommend taking each topic and looking it up in several books and other reference materials to gain the perspective and language of several different teachers and authors. The well informed Master will then come to his/her own conclusions. This leads to much deeper understanding of fly casting and fly fishing.

The challenge for me is working to understand fly casting concepts so completely I can describe them simply to a beginning student. The idea that there is so much to learn only makes the challenge more involving and fun.

I'm in this for much, much more than an MCI designation, it only helps me become a better caster, student and teacher. The MCI is a roadhouse along the way travelled.

At this time, discussions that instead of being more elaborate, simplified concepts would be more helpful to me. Mel wrote in 'Simplicity', it occurs when everything extraneous was taken away. If you have some filed that do that, please share them. I file the email discussions into categories for later review.

Right now, I'm studying Sheila Hassan's new Fly Casting a Systematic Approach and finding the simplified concepts I'm seeking.

Thanks again for the help!

Les

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Les... I don't do that often enough . MIA CULPA ! Sometimes I have reduced long complicated messages to numerical lists of what I think is the "meat". At other times, I've highlighted important passages in a detailed presentation. The "short answer / long answer" method helps, too.

At present, some of us are working on a detailed physics explanation of what really happens at the conclusion of the cast. One of our physicists is writing the paper. Another will put the concepts in lay language. I'll try to follow up with a list of simplified common denominators.

Bottom line is that I'll try to be better at this.

Thanks,

Gordy

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