Roll cast / Competition / Loop connections

Walter & Group...

From Al Crise:

Howdy Gordy and Gang

  I read a couple of times that the Roll cast is to the effect just in the same direction.  I use a roll cast as a change of direction cast as well as a reposition of the fly in the same area after stripping in the line.

 The old right shoulder goes left and the left goes right for moving the line/fly back up stream rings true.

  So that is a change of direction cast.

 

ol Al

Allen R. Crise
FFF-Master Casting Instructor
FFF-SOC VP Education http://forums.southerncouncilfff.org/
Hawk Ridge Flycasting School

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Al....  Glad you noted that.  I found words to that effect in several of the answers, two that I sent to the Group.

One respondant said that the roll cast had a limited ability to be made with a  change of direction (not untrue).

I suspect that most were thinking of the fact that all Spey casts (except for the so-called "forward Spey" or "switch cast") were change of direction casts.  They may have been mentally comparing these with standard roll casts. (????)

A good caster can change direction with a roll cast to the tune of 35 degrees or better. An expert Spey caster can make a cast with 90 degrees of directional change (In fact, I think that is a required task on the THCI exam.) As you point out, this change of direction made when roll casting should be toward the shoulder opposite that over which the cast is made.  This should certainly be in the repertoire of any Master candidate.

Gordy

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                                           Best Of The West Competition

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From Jerry Puckett:

 

Gordy:

 

Just returned from the best of the West distance casting championships.  Steve Rajeff won with a cast of 120 feet some inches in the final round.  However, In the second round he cast a distance of 125 feet and I think 6 inches, not sure of the inches.. Rick Hartman came in second.  Kathleen Roberts (Clay Roberts wife) won the ladies division with a cast close to ninety feet.  I do not remember the exact distance!

 

I got to sit around and pick Steve and Ricks' brain afterward while having some food.  I ask them how they would define their stop on the final cast. Both said at the same time, "when I run out of arm!"

 

Awesome afternoon with awesome casting!

 

Thought you might like to know!

 

 

 

Talked with Molly Semenik this morning as she was driving through a snow shower in West Yellowstone on the way to Livingston Montana.

 

Sandi Roberts, Clay Roberts wife, won the distance casting competition and Molly was second.  Kathleen, Jeff Wagnors wife, did well almost making almost it to the final round.

Not sure of the distances but around 90 feet for the ladies.

 

Steve Rajeff cast in the second round was the longest ever in casting competition 125 feet and I think 6 inches.  The distance will be posted on the website for the International Sportsman's Exposition , hopefully sometime today!

 

Just for your information there are some good as well as week articles and videos on the web--type in roll cast on the search engine and it makes for interesting reading!

 

Jerry Puckett

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Jerry ....  Thanks for the info.  In what catagory were these distances achieved....  ??? 5 wt.???.... Dry fly event ??

 

I'll Google the roll cast.....  (When I do that for medical information I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation out there !  One must always consider each source.)

 

Gordy

 

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                                          Loop Connections

 

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Neat trick for making braided loop connections from Denise Maxwell :

 

Hi Gordy,

 

Regarding loop connections – we used and still use, Cortland braided mono in 30lb & 50 lb.

 

To make the loops – we use tapestry needles.  When we first started making loops, getting the braided material was a feat and definitely no needles available. 

 

Tapestry needles are a blunt needle with a large eye.  They come in different sizes and are quite affordable.

 

We finished the loops with a wrap of thread and crazy glue.  A good tip for crazy glue is to go to the dollar store – they even come in single shot mini tubes.

 

Denise

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Denise:  I also tried a 15 guage 8" long spinal needle, passing the material through it .  Worked fine.  (We occasionally used these needles to access the hip joint in very obese patients.)  For obvious reasons, these are not readily available.

Gordy

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