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MCCI Exam castilng tasks / CREEP, more.
- Subject: MCCI Exam castilng tasks / CREEP, more.
- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:28:37 -0500
Walter & Group......
Suffix to our message on MCCI casting tasks:
Candidates must understand that the exam tasks will periodically change as
will their interpretation by examiners. The individual testing techniques
of the various lead examiners (CBOG) may be seen as examination style. I
think that is a healthy scenario which avoids rigidity and stagnation.
The MCCI Testing Committee and the CBOG are working to make the exams more
objective and uniform to a reasonable degree. That takes time and will be
a work in progress as we strive to become better examiners.
What I have sent to you is the best I can come up with as current
OPINION .... not just mine, but those of three CBOG
members intimately involved in the MCCI exam process and its ongoing
revision.
I have done this so that you candidates will have direction to guide you as
you practice and prepare.
These individual and composite opinions are just that. They are NOT a
final product which even once gained as the CBOG approves the final
recommendation of the Committee will be subject to future change.
My personal advice to MCCI candidates is this:-
Where controversy or uncertainty exists or appears to exist on casting
tasks, ALWAYS PRACTICE BOTH OR MULTIPLE METHODS and become proficient in
both or all.
Examples:
1.) Learn at least 3 different methods of making curve
casts. Learn all of these methods so that you can perform each in
right as well as left directions, at different distances. Include
"overpowered" and "underpowered" methods in each direction.
2.) Learn to do roll casts on water and on grass using static (dead line)
back loops on the bank as well as, "live line" roll casts where the back cast
loop is dynamic ("switch casts"). Include roll casts performed
for maximum distance with moderate well controlled effort, employing high loop
speed, a single haul, rod tip way back, greater amount of line behind for max
load ..... with and without a live line back loop.
3.) Learn at a minimum, 6 different ways of performing change of
direction casts. Include 180 degree change of direction casts.
4.) Be able to demonstrate at least 8 different ways of casting with wind
from your casting arm side.
By doing this, you are in a position to do anything your examiner asks of you
after obtaining final clarification of the method on site.
Rather than be hard nosed about single task requirements, most examiners, I
think, are looking for an overall impression as to whether you are an
outstanding instructor or not, in the final analysis. At least that is my
bottom line.
Gordy
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From Dusty Sprague on the MCCI test :-
Please keep in mind that Tony's questions pertain to the
existing test, not the revision that is still in
committee. So, our comments were with respect to the existing
test.
We will be recommending changing some requirements in the revised
test, e.g. on the curve cast task we will recommend "Using the same hand,
demonstrate an overpowered and underpowered curve cast with the fly landing
approxomately 30 feet from the caster", vice the existing test requirement for a
positive and negative curve at approximately 40 feet. There is no
requirement to cast around a target on either the existing task or the proposed
revised task. We are still working through the tasks on the revised
test.
Dusty
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Good thoughts from Mac Brown:-
Hi Gordy,
Thanks for fixing me up again Gordy. These computers can be frustrating
sometimes.
I have a few comments for what I thought you sent a few days ago on creep
and the one today on MCI tasks.
I seem to remember the one a few days ago poses the question of would you
ever want to use it? I would say for the right scenario YES. One reason would
naturally be to demo it to the class/student. Here is another from a fishing
scenario -the constant tension style of casts for changes in direction of layout
would also be a great example. Here is the exercise, go out with 40 feet of line
and scribe the complete horizontal circle with the rod tip around the body. If
you do not creep, you loose touch with the end of the line because constant
tension was not maintained. Some great input on corrections posted today! I
thought the original post asked this question when you would use it/if ever. If
I am mistaken just disregard this message.
Another point which was brought up in the casting tasks for MCI regarded
positive and negative casts. I feel this is a pet peeve of mine when teaching
for actual angling scenarios on the water-they are a must.
I think it is best to not associate a direction of left/right with pos/neg.
The easiest way to teach it (the student can figure out direction quickly)
would be to say all negative casts fail to straighten/all positive casts kick.
The direction comes about from definitions (I used to use end line/ main line)
for describing this for my casting schools. The terms were not used before that
in any of my casting literature. Rod leg/ fly leg works fine for me as well. It
gets folks thinking which tends to be the goal often times. Loop plane is
where the direction will be determined. By describing these casts further, we
get into many other terms like rod fade, rod arc, etc.. used to describe each
one. Loop plane should be a simple definition with little to disagree on- the
airspace the loop occupies? Whatever the loop plane it still has one side
attached to the fly and one end attached to the rod. The reason I have gone on a
bit of a tangent here is that we often still see folks describing it only with a
direction of left or right. The confusion arrises then if they are a lefty or a
righty, on side, off side, etc...? The myriad of casts which utilize this become
endless. Each and every casts one ever makes has either negative, positive, or
normal force (a line that straightens)-one of these must exist. Much of the
teaching today has a strong emphasis on getting it to straighten-normal.
Here is the irony of all of this. While learning as a beginner, one has
lousy casts which dump the line on what they percieve as lousy casts -yet they
generate tons of strikes with the lousy casts because it has necessary slack.
Hence, lots of missed fish typically, unless they are the exception. They spend
much time perfecting it to straighten while practicing on grass and begin to
throw textbook lazer loops straight as an arrow. Now they go a long time with no
strikes because the fly drags all of the time. If they do not quit the sport
from frustration, they may go on to learn more and begin to control just what is
going on? Once they can throw all of these layouts on the stream without
thinking about them, they get rewards-fish!! Kind of an incredible journey
thing.
Thanks for getting me back up
Gordy.
Mac
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Mac .... I agree. I'd add that one glaring
difference between the slack line unintended layout of the beginner and that of
the expert is, CONTROL. The expert can place just the right amout of
slack at just the right time in exactly the right place.
You have described much of this in your book, CASTING ANGLES, back in
1997. I particularly enjoyed and learned from your chapter on,
"Enlightenment Casts".
Gordy
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From Brian Nims on a, "cure" for creeping :-
Gordy,
I have read many that included the drift so
far, and, a few others I did not think of.
What about the "stab" ? The
"Lefty Stab". Kind of a drift to the extreme!
Brian
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Brian.... I was
waiting for that one .... answer is a resounding, YES.
Three methods of INCREASING the available stroke
length, rod arc, and tip travel for the next stroke are also excellent, "cures"
for the tendency to creep. They are:
1.) Back
Drift (We've already discussed that one at
length.)
2.) Back
STAB. (Also known as, "Lefty's Stab").
This is NOT drift.
Done as Lefty and Ed Jaworowski teach it, one does not stop and then drift
back. Rather, the stop is made with the rod as far back as you can get
it. (Remember my comments on Ed's article entitled, "Forget the Drift"
?)
3.) Lay
Back. Popularized by Gary Borger, the caster makes the
stop at the chosen level, then literally lays the rod back so the tip is
pointing way back toward the unrolling back loop. No thrust back as with
1.) and 2.) .
Having said all this, we must remember that these
maneuvers actually resist the tendency to creep.
They don't cure it in every instance. Why ? ..... because it is
possible to back drift, stab or lay back and then creep. Fortunately
it is rare to find a student doing that, but it does happen.
Gordy
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From Robert Shigley:
Hi Gordy;
The FFF's booklets on preparing for the CCI test
makes it clear in it's listing of definitions the difference in creep from
drift. It seems that many answers you are getting are describing the two as one
in the same. Creep is not good as there is slack in the line before initiating
the cast and drift is OK as the rod arm is tracking or following the path of the
back cast further back preparing for a longer forward cast. Am I on
track?
robert
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Robert.... You are not fully on track,
but getting close. Here is why:-
Neither CREEP or DRIFT introduce slack as usually performed.
CREEP: Is movement
opposite the direction of an unrolling
loop.
DRIFT: Is movement in
the direction of an unrolling loop.
CREEP:
Reduces available stroke length, rod arc and tip
travel.
DRIFT: Increases
available stroke length, rod arc and tip travel.
CREEP: Is
involuntary, most of the time.
DRIFT: Is purposefully
done most of the time.
CREEP: Is most often
detrimental to the cast.
DRIFT: Is most often
beneficial to the cast.
Conclusion: CREEP is the antithesis of
DRIFT.
Gordy
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