Walter & Group........
My apologies on the fact that I lost the important attachment which was to go with Ally Gowans' note on lessons. I'll try to get him to send it again so you won't miss it.
Gordy
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From Gary Kell (Also, see his spreadsheat as an attachment ):-
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Let's have your comments and suggestions.
Gordy
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Questions from Carl Zarelli :
Gordy just to change the topic . I have a question about large tarpon techniques.
I have spent some time studying Stu Apt, Billy Pate , and others on bringing in large Tarpon quickly.
About a year ago I hooked and fought a large Tarpon and brought the leader to hand .
I have a couple of questions
1) In deeper water 30' to 50 ' can one expect the fight to last longer than in shallow water say 15'. I have been told my lengthy fight was because of the deeper water. I am wondering if another technique would of made a difference . By the way, I pulled as hard as I felt would be appropriate without breaking the line.
2) I have heard that some use the strip strike to set the hook for Tarpon . I have always been told to use the scissor strike. I have also been told that it is superior in driving in the hook into the boney plates in their mouths.
Your thoughts.
Carl Zarelli
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Carl:
1.) It takes a lot longer to fight a big tarpon in deep water, as a rule.
Main reason is that you are pulling the fish in an upward direction wheneve he's deep to the skiff. You can't exert anywhere near the pressure on the critter compared to pressuring him on the surfact with your rod tip low to the water.
In Australia, I was able to land tuna on fly in water only about 6' to 10' deep ...... large enough fish that I know I'd have had no chance of landing in deep water. Same reason.
Another reason, is that in deep water, the tarpon may not expend energy by leaping as often as in shallow water. Then, you may not be able to break his spirit. I, once, hooked a huge tarpon at 6:30 pm on a flat. This fish jumped only once, then got out into deeper water. I didn't land him until 1:10 am the next morning !!!
I've since learned some tricks to help bring the critter to the surface ..... has to do with how the skiff is positioned. Doesn't always work.
A shark is much more likely to devour your tarpon when fighting deep. Years ago, I brought a tarpon to the skiff in deep Gulf water after the fish left the flat. My brother, Mack, held the bite tippet and was within seconds of lip gaffing the fish with a hand gaff when a large tiger shark came from under the skiff and took the head off the tarpon. Mack would have lost his hand if he'd sunk that gaff.
2.) By pointing the rod at the fish and using a brisk strip strike, I can gain more strike force than with the scissors strike. Try that with a scale which has a, "stop" indicator and you will agree. Note that I said, "pointing the rod at the fish". Now, in the event that you don't do that, or if there is not great tension on the line before the strike, then the scisssors strike will be better.
A simpler method to prove the point: Tie your tippet to a tree trunk. Back off about 60'. Now, try to break it by using various strike methods. You'll find that if you come tight first, rod pointed at the tree ...... THEN use a powerful and crisp strip strike you will break it most easily. Anything you do with the rod will be less effective.
I will often see the tarpon inhale the fly. If I strike at that point, I always lose the fish .... because the tarpon will take that fly and not close his big bucket sized mouth until he turns away from me. He won't let it go, however .... so you can wait and often must wait until he's no longer facing you. Even then, I teach my anglers to let the rod bend way down with lots of pressure before striking. Failure to do that is the primo reason that most trout and salmon fishermen lose many tarpon on the strike.
This is so great a problem, that I, now, have the first time tarpon fisherman use a two handed slow retrieve with the fly rod under the arm. The fish takes the fly, then it takes so long for the excited angler to get control of the rod, that the fish can come tight and the strike be effective.
A related fish story: Last evening we all had dinner at Gordon Baggett's lodge on Cudjoe Key. One of his guides and his angler were there. They had hooked a big poon which had run straight out into the Ocean.
The Dacron backing broke !
The guide followed the visable fly line and grabbed it. Still moving toward the fish, they knotted it back together, reeled it up, and then fought and landed the critter !!!!!
The honored guest of the evening was Laurence Baggett .... his birthday. The real honored guest, however, turned out to be a Palola worm in a bottle of sea water. It was passed around the table as it swam in circles in the bottle...... just as it would at sea hoping not to be inhaled by a tarpon !
Gordy
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I could bore you all to death with many tarpon stories. Mercifully, I'll show restraint. G.
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