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    Walter & Group.......

    From Ally Gowans on TRANSLATION & ROTATION:

    Hi Gordy,

     

    Methinks that the definition of translation and rotation is difficult because both (depending on how you define rotation) can occur together. See http://www.letsflyfish.com/flycasts.htm the sketches are from a series of high speed pictures and show my hand movement for a pick up and lay down cast. The edge of the pink area approximately tracks the top of the rod handle. Now this may just be my style/body shape but lifting your hand at the elbow certainly creates a radius but there is no wrist break at that time. “Linear” (approximately straight line) movement occurs prior to the wrist rotation and stop.

     

    Best wishes,

    Ally Gowans

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    Ally....     YES, INDEED !!!!!   I find it very difficult to have much if any PURE TRANSLATION with any cast I make.  When I try to have pure rotation, most of the time I've mixed it with some rotation.

    Gordy

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    From Troy Miller on fly fishing etiquette :-

    There are some discrepancies in philosophy between different groups of anglers, to be sure.  For instance, in one case we hear that the stationary angler has the right of way over the downstream angler.  But then we hear that there should BE no stationary angler.  Everyone should cast & take a step, cast & take a step.  Local customs vary, and if you go somewhere new and follow your home customs, you may be considered heathen by the locals, in serious violation of "proper" rules of etiquette.
     
    Up here in AK, for example, it would appear that there is NO etiquette to the casual observer.  Whoever gets there first gets to fish THAT EXACT SPOT.  If you catch a fish and have to take it to the bank to beach it, you'll get to fight your way back into your spot.  People fish 6 feet apart, and that's just the way it is.  There's only a mile to fit 1000 anglers; you do the math...  For that very reason, I rarely fish in the daytime.  Night fishing is MUCH more relaxed and productive for a flyrodder.  If you fish in the daytime, and use the "cast & take a step" approach, the guy immediately downstream from you is gonna eat you for lunch when you encroach on his water...
     
    Call me a cynic, but I honestly think it would be impossible to write a set of etiquette rules that would apply universally.  Unless you left out the details, like you said, and just "do unto other anglers..."  But that makes for a pretty short book.  The very nature of etiquette is that we use discretion in our actions, offering courtesy and consideration to other anglers.  But they're voluntary and unenforceable, from a pragmatic viewpoint.  If they're not voluntary and ARE enforceable, then they're called regulations.
     
    All that said, I'd love to read your book on some specific ways to be more courteous than I may already be when fishing the salt.  Generally I just avoid all other anglers, giving the widest berth that I can.  It's a big ocean, and there are fish all over...  :)

    Regards -- TAM

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    Troy....

    I fully agree that no single set of, "rules of etiquette" could possibly fit all or even most fishing scenarios.

    As you know, even in Alaska there are big differences ..... all depending upon the fishing pressure.  We've had, for example, the luxury of fishing pristine Alaskan streams which are way out of range of the float planes and fish camps...... our own small group had the entire stream or river to ourselves.

    When you have high fishing pressure due to lots of anglers on limited waters you seem to have two main approaches around the world.  1.  Every man for himself .   or  2.  Some form of voluntary system which effectively shares the rescource.

    Below, is one such system, sent in by Dennis Grant.

    Gordy

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    ON THE CURRENT TOPIC: I am attaching our Salmon etiquette pages that are part of our school manual.
     
    All the best, Dennis
     

    Salmon Fishing Etiquette

    ·        First Turn: First person to arrive has the first opportunity over the pool

    ·        First Step: Begin fishing at the head of the pool

    ·        Cast: Make a cast and fish the fly to the dangle (until the fly stops moving across the pool and hangs directly down stream of the caster)

    ·        Move: Advance one step and cast (as above)

    ·        Raised Fish: If a fish is raised you are allowed enough additional time to try a second fly  over the raised fish.  Learn the procedure for changing flies quickly.

    ·        Following : Other persons follow first caster in order of arrival at the pool.

    ·        Room To Cast: Stay a "little more" than a cast length behind the person in front of you to avoid 'tangling' lines.

    ·        Help Others: Help less-experienced casters if asked. Don't give unsolicited advice.

    ·        Don't Litter: When convenient, pick-up garbage, even if it is not yours.

    ·        Where to wade: Don't wade in water where salmon may lie - Salmon often lie in quite shallow water. ( Ask the regulars).

    ·        Obey Regulations:  Observe fishing regulations.

    ·        Report Poachers:  They are stealing from you.

    ·        Note Local Customs: Follow the 'local custom' of fishing.  It may vary from river to river.  If you show respect for the rights of other fishermen on the pool you shouldn't get into trouble fishing any river.

    ·        Respect Others: If another fishermen hooks a salmon, reel in your line until the fish is landed, released,(or lost).

    ·        Be Helpful: If another fishermen asks you to help land a hooked fish, do so to the best of your ability.

    ·        Give others a Chance: If you are lucky enough to hook and land a salmon go to the 'tail end' of the line.  Don't expect to resume your place in the line.

    ·        Release gently: Any fish to be released should be handled gently. Rule of thumb: Minimum revival time should EQUAL playing time.  Don't "throw" fish back in the water.

    Excerpt from the Atlantic Fly Fishing School Manual (1993)

     

    Established in 1993
    Dennis Grant
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    The ethics of fly fishing in salt waters can vary tremendously according to the venue and fishing pressure.  This ranges from that of surf fishing where there are few other fishermen to the, "COMBAT FISHING" during striper runs in the fall at Montauk.  Totally different, again, when fishing flats for bonefish.

    Gordy

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    One of our messages on fly fishing ethics pertained to the dry fly fisherman who fished upstream and a nymph fisherman fishing downstream.  This engendered an interesting question my Mary Ann Dozier:

    Gordy

    Quick question - I see why if dry flyfishing it is best to move upstream -

    given fish are facing upstream...better drifts, less disturbance from

    wading, if I move smart and slowly ...then less chance to spook fish with

    fly line...

     

     

    But why is moving down stream when nymphing the approach?

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    Mary Ann....

    Some of our experience nymph fishermen may want to comment on this.

    Actually, most of the nymph fishing I've done has been by casting upstream, not downstream.  I enjoy the hi-sticking technique using no strike indicator, but that is a personal choice.  Sometimes I'll fish pocket water from the side, but make my presentation (often with a tuck cast) upstream of my, "bucket" of interest.

    Some do prefer to fish nymphs with downstream casts.  I've never been very good at that.

    You might wish to check out:  FLY FISHING Simple to Sophisticated,  Al Kyte, pp. 25 - 38 (Chap. 2, "Fishing Down and Across Stream With a Wet Fly.....)   and p. 99, Chap. 7., "Short-line, wet fly fishing: A Transition to Upstream Nymphing.

    (Al dedicated this book to, among others, George P. Dozier.   Could he have been a relative of yours ????????????????)

    Also:  ON THE TROUT STREAM with JOE JUMPHREYES, Joe Humphreyes.  (GREAT PICTURES !!!)

    Gordy

     

    Gordy