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- Subject: Teaching disabled students / Spey practice / Line carried
- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:35:06 -0400
Walter & Group........
From Brian Nims.........
My daughter is an "Aspy" (short for Asperger's
person). I have really enjoyed teaching her on many occasions and
she does OK. Aspy's typically are challenged socially. They are
considered on the Autism Spectrum, but, can appear to be very skilled in many
ways. She does not pick up on social cues well at all. Usually
in a conversation she may not know when it is her time to
respond. I am very literal with Carmen since she does not
understand slang or any expressions that are indirect or could have double
meaning. She also learns one thing at a time. I try to give
her one and only one tiny lesson at a time and let her experiment. I keep
things simple and don't expect her to interact verbally. She loves it when
she succeeds. The other day she was delighted to show me how she can form
loops and she did very well. I always keep a rod strung up at all times
(as Uncle Tom White always said) and it reminds her to practice. When her
brother and sister are busy with their friends being social, Carmen enjoys
practicing her casting by herself. I have a lot of fun with
her and she is my favorite fishing partner. She will fish all day long, no
matter if we are catching fish or not and still look forward to going
again.
I would love to
share more of this experience or answer any questions as best I can for anyone
in the group.
Bryan Nims CCI
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Brian.... That helps give us some great
insight. Let's see .... that would make Carmen Tom White's grand
neice, right ? G.
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From Kat Wagner :
Hi Gordy,
While I haven't had the experience of teaching flycasting to a student
with Aspergers, I do have the experience of teaching autistic and
asperger students. At the school where I teach, these students are
mainstreamed into school, learning how to adapt and learn in an
"everyday" environment. As a music teacher, I deal with similar
challenges. I have learned the following:
-Keep with a similar routine in your lessons
-Transitions can be difficult, so try to tie it together and do not
abruptly change. Give warnings such as "we are going to try this one
more time, and then move on to something new"
-Give lots of time and patience (as we should with everyone)
-They have difficulty reading body language and non-verbal cues, so
use lots of auditory and kinestetic directions.
-They tend to make decisions on what is said literally, figures of
speech are not well understood. So if you make a promise, be prepared
to fulfill it. If you say you are done in 3 more casts, end at three
casts, not one more.
-The more research you do, the better you understand what is going on
for them, the easier it will be to understand how to modify, and most
importantly, the better of a teacher you will be for your student.
Kat
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Kat .... I think we all learned from your message. Thanks.
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My nephew has a bipolar disorder. This results in wide swings of
excitement coupled with hyperactivity contrasted with periods of deep
depression.
When he's depressed, it's hard for me to be able to teach him anything let
alone fly casting. When on an up swing, it is as though he's, "on fire" to
learn. My way of handling this situation is to avoid trying to push him in
any way while on his, "down swings." By doing it that way, I
succeeded in having him become a very proficient fly caster capable of good
loops at 80' at ll years of age. More importantly, I note that he
never seems to start his depressions while fly fishing. He's now 18.
Gordy
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From Ally Gowans on Spey Practice :
Hi
Gordy,
Spey casting practice
like all forms of practice can be tiring but is especially so if muscles are
tensioned by for example tightly gripping the rod or used outwith normal
postures.
Spey casting
breaks down into two basic forms; the Roll Cast in which the line is picked up
in a “D” loop from the water until that remaining in contact with the water is
minimised and the final part of the cast is made by completing the stroke
tangentially to the loop (normally slightly upwards) (in this case the Roll Cast
would have no “stop” behind the caster – unlike the Roll Casts required for the
CI tests). It is a curved (some say circular or elliptical) motion (like all
other forms of Spey casting) (hence Grant’s mention of the “Planet Cast”). (This
is the basis for the Double Spey, and the two cast combinations of Snap T and
Snap C etc.)
The other form is
sometimes called the Jump Roll, Forward Spey (American term) or Switch Cast
(although traditionally in Scotland the
Switch Cast had a wider interpretation). In this form the line is smoothly
lifted from the water and repositioned so that the leader and as little line as
possible lands gently in a straight line ideally just in front of the casters
shoulder and pointing towards the intended casting direction with a perfect “D”
loop behind and the curving acceleration path continues to complete the cast as
with the other basic form. This cast and its rotated relative the Single Spey
are I think the most efficient and fastest casts of all when done correctly
(with good ergonomics) and where it is practical to use them.
The second basic form
translates into the Snake Roll, Circle casts etc.) Its my opinion after years of
teaching fly fishing full time that developing the gentle, smooth and controlled
motion required to make the second form mentioned (this I call the “Dropped
Form” and the other I call the “Picked up Form” referring to how the “anchor” is
achieved) seems to be the most difficult part of casting to master for many
anglers and the biggest faults that occur are using too much effort and dropping
the rod point behind them (something that is not good in any form of casting!).
Timing of the rotation to the forward direction is also problematical but
watching the leader alight the timing is “touch and go”, (touch the water with
the leader and go to complete the cast) again without stopping. I hope that this
is helpful.
Best wishes,
Ally
Gowans
New – DVD video “Spey
Casting Made Easy” by Ally details http://www.letsflyfish.com/spey_casting_dvd.htm
See my web sites http://www.letsflyfish.com and
http://www.flyfish-scotland.com
Spey School dates for 2008 are
March 14/15/16 & April 11/12/13 see details on the web
sites.
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Comment:
I was amazed to watch Ally cast, especially to note how
easily he does it ..... with the lightest grip imaginable
on the rod cork except for the exact moments of greatest
tension.
Gordy
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From Chuck
Easterling:-
Hi Gordy,
You havew said:
"You are using the term to mean the length of line FROM THE LINE HAND TO
THE FLY, INCLUDING THE LEADER."
That is not correct. When I refer to line carry I
am referring to the amount of fly line--the leader is not included.
60' feet of line carry means 60 feet of fly line.
Chuck
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Chuck...
Thanks. I stand corrected.
Frankly, I had never heard or used the term, "line carry" before. Once
defined, I think it will be a good one . When I use the term, "carried" I
try to remember to qualify it by saying, "the amount of line carried out of the
rod tip." I don't include the leader .... perhaps I should state that to
make it clear to others . Just the way I've been looking at it.
No harm in saying, "the amount of line carried from the line hand" ......
Someday we'll all be on the same page.
When we talk about being able to shoot a certain percentage of the
line, "carried", these differences become of great importance.
Gordy
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From Troy Miller:
Please
understand that I had a smile on my face when I wrote that "Chuck had duped me"
and "he'd pulled a fast one on me". I'm not complaining in any way about
the exercise. We all learned a lot from that session, I believe, and
Chuck's points were well taken.
The
definition of precisely how we measure "carry" and "shoot" is apparently not
clear. If you ask me if I can shoot a certain percentage of "the line I'm
carrying", I would assume you mean just the flyline out of the rod tip (before
vs. after the shoot).
Loop
form and speed are definitely critical regarding shooting. But so is good
SHOOTING FORM. Some casters launch beautiful loops initially, that should
sail into the next county. But they introduce some other counfounding
error which reduces the shoot. Having a super clean flyline is one of the
most important things! Properly maintaining/controlling the line to be
shot is another. Position of the rod during the shoot is another.
The flyline taper will have an effect (imagine if you spooled your WF line
backwards...).
Thank
you VERY much for that lesson, and all the others you've given, Chuck.
We're ALL better casters because of the fine details that you help us to
hone.
Regards
-- TAM
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