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    Walter & Group.........

    I'LL BE AWAY FOR A WEEK STARTING AT NOON, TODAY.

    I suggest that each of you who have come up with very good, but long descriptive answers, now take the time to get the same information in a SHORT ANSWER !

    Gordy

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    From Guy Manning:

    Gordy,

     Al writes:   (re Golf balls)

     The small dots (360) of them are there to keep the ball aloft… Today we could do the same to the surface of the fly line. I feel that the loop might have a tendency to climb even more on the front edge of the loop. Micro dots would cause less drag on the guides and Air.

     Those dots work when the ball is turning opposite the direction of travel. The fly line turns in the direction of travel.

     It is also my understanding that lift only occurs as the front taper is turning over, some of it due mass reduction. So the affect would probably be hard to notice just by changing the surface.

     Guy Manning

    FFF Master Certified Casting Instructor

    Moderator FFFCCI Yahoo Group

    www.castflys.com

    www.castflys.net

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    Guy ......   Interesting.  I just learned something, there.     Thanks.

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    From Ally Gowans :

    Hi Gordy,

     

    Sorry but I’m the Devils Advocate again! Hopefully some of my comments will keep the group thinking.

     

    MCI candidates should always carefully understand the question before offering an answer because they will be asked thousands of questions by their students and need to give good advice. Gordy’s specification did not mention “floating” only distance casting! Yet so far no one has mentioned density!

     

    What functions do the constituent parts of the line play in determining a lines characteristics?

     

    One of then problems with long distances is “turnover”. Casting a lot of line is not the criteria, casting the fly a distance is the objective and therefore good turnover is essential. Is there any way that line design can be improved to aid this?

     

    I wonder if anyone has given thought to Roll Casting during their deliberation? Distance Roll Casts are also important but the answers so far cause me to wonder if this has been considered.

    Best wishes,

    Ally Gowans

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    Ally .....

    I think I only mentioned the idea of a floating distance line in one of my messages to Bruce Richards.

    Of course, density will play a huge role.  A more dense head carries a given line weight with thinner diameter, thus less wind resistance.

    You are correct, I was not thinking about roll casting distance as a primary objective.  The design of the, "perfect distance roll casting line" would be very different, indeed.

    You and Guy are keeping us on our thinking toes !!!   Thanks to both of you.

    Gordy

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     From Peter Morse:

    I think you want a long fine concave back taper. It seems to me that the key to this distance stuff is being able to hold 80+ feet of line in the air (better at 90+) with stability. Short back tapers just don't allow a smooth and stable transfer of energy (shooting heads for example). I would be looking for a convex compound front taper around 12 feet long  to assist in turning over the leader and a super long belly - 45 feet  - then a long concave back taper of around  40 feet. A fine textured finish, especially in the back taper and running line would not be disadvantageous in my opinion.



    I think you want a long fine concave back taper. It seems to me that the key to this distance stuff is being able to hold 80+ feet of line in the air (better at 90+) with stability. Short back tapers just don't allow a smooth and stable transfer of energy (shooting heads for example). I would be looking for a convex compound front taper around 12 feet long  to assist in turning over the leader and a super long belly - 45 feet  - then a long concave back taper of around  40 feet. A fine textured finish, especially in the back taper and running line would not be disadvantageous in my opinion.

    Peter Morse
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    Peter....
     
    Food for thought.  I have always associated long back tapers such as Jason Borger's CRT ( Continuous Rear Taper) lines as being designed for better line control. Some look at them as able to, "smooth out the cast".
     
    As you can see, many have elected to chose a very thin diameter running line behind a short back taper.  I don't recall anyone mentioning tapering that runner.
     
    Gordy
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