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Fly line tensions .... "stretchy vs. non-stretchy lines"
- Subject: Fly line tensions .... "stretchy vs. non-stretchy lines"
- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:44:39 -0500
Walter & Group........
Great Question from Capt. Joel Dickey:-
Gordy,
The other night I had a very
interesting discussion with a good freind of mine (who is an
exceptional caster) about the efficiency of a cast while casting for distance..
The main part of the discussion was line stretch in long casts especially with
say a weighted fly on the end.. What sparked the conversation was when we were
taking the twist out of a badly twisted line that I had.. When we stretched the
line out between us you could easily stretch a extra six inches to foot in the
line with minimal pull. How much if at all do you think the "stretching" in a
line while casting takes away from the energy/efficiency of the cast and
how much distance is lost in the cast.. Also could this be corrected if a line
was designed in such a was as to not stretch???
Thanks,
Joel
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Joel....
Actually a timely question, because it does relate to fly line
tension.
This was a hot topic during 2002. In the Fall issue of THE LOOP, Mel
Krieger posed the question: "How Does Line Stretch Affect the
Cast ?" That was the title of his article.
This was re-visited in the in the Winter 2002 loop. Responders who
answered the burning question included such experts as Bruce Richards
and Tim Rajeff.
For details, go ahead and access these LOOP articles from the FFF website
or:
http://www.fedflyfishers.org/loop.php
I strongly recommend you do that to get the benefit of a lot more information on
the subject.
In a nutshell, Bruce points out that, "Line stretch during casting is not
our friend." He went on to say that when he designed lines for distance
casting back in the 70's that lots of stretch caused big casting problems.
He described badly distorted loops and the fact that after the rod had stopped
and the loop formed, that tension was released and the line, "relaxed" and,
"accordioned". This resulted in a series of S curves in the fly leg which
were wind resistant. Distance suffered. They solved the problem by
changing the cores to those with less stretch. He pointed out that
while energy can and is stored in a stretched fly line, that its release is not
well controlled .... a major problem.
He pointed out some advantages to having some
stretch in the line, and ended with a recommendation to tailor the
stretchability of the fly line to the use for which it is intended.
Tim Rajeff's reply began with this: "The perfect
casting line would be as skinny as possible, very
flexible (soft, with no memory) and have no stretch." He went on to say
that the stretchy lines didn't cast as far as other lines in use because they
proved to be unstable in stretching out so much during the final delivery
cast. He called this the, "rubber band effect".
Conversely, he noted, "that the lines that were the most stable in
the air during the cast were the ones with the least stretch in the core
".
His conclusion: "So the less stretch your line has, the more stable
the loop is in the air and the farther your cast will go (all other things being
equal)".
They also noted that when competition accuracy casting, that the different
stretchability of fly lines was most obvious .... it provided another
variability to consider.
The article goes on to note some other things and things that we have found
while fishing various experimental line designs with different cores:
1.) Bruce and Tim were correct in their findings with lines which
stretch a great deal. (above)
2.) Lines with NO STRETCH, such as the lines with Dacron cores and,
especially, those made with Kevlar and Spectra cores casted well. The
distinct disadvantage of these lines was the fact that once they took a, "set"
while wound on the reel, we could not get the curls out. If a sneaker
rolled the line, a kink formed .... same if a knot in the fly line had to be
unknotted..... it was impossible to get the kinks and
curls out.
3.) Back in the 70's, we tested the highly touted, "SUE BURGESS" fly lines
which were being produced in England by the former Airflo Company. They
had cores of 18 lb. test Kevlar (Aramid.... Du Pont). ..... Zero
stretch. We noted the disadvantages described, above. They
casted well. Then we discovered that after a great deal of casting, we'd
make a distance cast .... and the fly line would break in two in mid air while
under casting tension and the distal section would go out to the next
county. The Kevlar became brittle !!!!!! They never broke
while fighting a fish .... always in mid air during the cast. (??????)
4.) The lines made over gel-spun cores had another
disadvantage: When we fastened the butt section of the leader to the end
of the line with a nail knot, the knot would often pull the coating off the core
as a fish was fought. When we went to using an Albright Special, the
coating stayed on, but fractured just above the knot which led to a less than
ideal transfer of energy over the, "dead spot" which that produced. Same
thing happened (though later) when we went to loop connections.
5.) Super supple / stretchy lines can sag between the guides on the
fly rod. This is a minor reason added to the above which make them less
desirable for distance casting.
6.) We found that the soft / stretchable lines would tangle more
easily. While the tangles were easy to undo and left no kinks, that didn't
help a bit when a, "bird's nest" of a line mess caught in the guides as we cast
to the only tarpon of the day !
# Check out the information on fly line cores in Bruce Richards' MODERN FLY
LINES. In this book, Bruce points out that these differences in fly line
stretchability are far less important for most casters making fishing casts than
for competition distance casters where the fly line tensions are much
less. That helps bring us back to the real world of fly fishing.
Gordy