Teaching by e-mail

Walter & Group....

Some important information in this string of messages:

robert shigley <flyfishcaneyfork@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Jerry;

Gordy's comment on the line weight and rod are very profound. I am using a 6weight fast tip rod with the Mastery 6wf Expert Distance Line. Is this not the right line for the rod? The front taper is 14ft, front belly is 17.7', rear belly is 13.3', and the rear taper is 25 feet. That's 45 feet of belly before the rear taper. I would assume that this is the correct line for the rod as no disclaimer for a lower line weight is made for various rod weights. I just ordered the same line in a 5 wf for my Thomas & Thomas HS 905.
This is a high performance rod and I sure hope that the line and rod are compatible.
The line manufacturer nor box makes any mention of downsizing line weights according to rod weights. Please forward to Gordy for his comments.

By the way, I did e-mail Gordon with a verification of my e-mail address.

Robert
jerry puckett <jerry_puckett2001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dr. Shigley, Gordy is giving some excellent feedback. I will try and call tomorrow. Jerry

Note: forwarded message attached.Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:14:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: jerry puckett <jerry_puckett2001@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Monday question
To: Master Study <masterstudy@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Gordy, I am fprwarding this to Dr.Shigley and will call him tomorrow and cover the bases. Thanks for your help and concern. Great input. Jerry

Master Study <masterstudy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jerry...

You might also remind Dr. Shigley, that if he is carrying 45' to 50' of a long belly line the designation of which matches the rod, he's actually casting a line which is three to four weights heavier than the designation of that rod. For example: If he's casting with a 6 wt. rod, and has 50' of long belly line out of the rod tip, he's really false casting with a 10 wt. line. That's one of many factors which limit the ability of the caster to carry increasing amounts of line....because you begin to overload the rod as you keep going, and that contributes to more difficulty in maintaining SLP of the rod tip, so the loop suffers.

Up to a point of efficiency, the caster can only shoot about 50% of the line carried. This percentage diminishes when carrying shorter or longer amounts of line beyond a, "medium" range.

Again, Jerry, if you and he agree, we can share this info.

Gordy

Dr. Shigley:

I was in possession of the information that Dr. Hill sent and sorry that I failed to apply it to our dialog. I think it is best to start with rod and line weight equal, 6 for 6 or 5 for 5, for example, and experiment up and down with combos. For example, I have an 8 wt. yellow colored Temple Fork Instructor rod that I use the the SA long distance orange colored line and it works really well for demonstration and distance casting. The stronger rod and one wt. lighter line allow me to carry a lot of line. Occasionally I impress myself. Dr. Hill can comment and offer direction but I think the SA line favors a stronger progressive rod such as a Sage TCR to bring out the beast in rod and man.

Again, I think you are on the right track playing with a lot of combos. You will fined that which works best for you.

Keep up th dedication and good work, Jerry

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I still have Dr. Shigley on our list . My Mail List Controller shows me that of the 16 messages sent out to him at:

flyfishcaneyfork@xxxxxxxxx none could be delivered, for some reason that I don't, as yet understand.

My comments to his message, below:

1.) I do agree with his matching the line designation to that of his rod.

2.) The rods and lines he's using are just fine, as I see it.

3.) That SA long distance line works very well on the TCR rod.....but one must remember that that particular rod is VERY UNFORGIVING of any but really good timing and application of power. I see that one as a rod for experts...especially for distance casting. Because of the super modulus tip section, many don't find it fun for fishing. It's a poor rod for teaching because all the actions are done so fast that it's hard to figure out what is actually happening. By the same token, I feel that it is NOT a good rod for one to teach himself. His TFO yellow rod IS a good teaching and self teaching tool, in my opinion. I think that may well be the reason that Tim Rajeff designed his ECHO series rods with two different tips....one for tournament distance casting, and the other for teaching and fishing.

4.) All these rods will cast well with a wide range of lines. That is why they can be used with different amounts of line (weight) out of the rod tip....but the caster has to adjust well to these changes. Examples:

If carrying less than 30' of a line number matched to the rod, I'll , "tip cast" using less power, and change my timing with less time needed for the loop to unroll to the point where I've elected to start my next stroke.

When carrying more than 30' of that same line, I'll cast by applying power to more deeply bend the rod. Perhaps a, "mid-flex" bend for 45', and go to a deep bend.. right into the butt section if carrying 60' to 75'. Of course, as I progress with increasing amounts of line carried, I change my timing accordingly to allow the loop to unroll. Longer pause for greater lengths of line carried UNTIL I SPEED UP THE CADENCE....IN WHICH INSTANCE I HAVE TO DECREASE THE PAUSE TIME FOR THAT SAME AMOUNT OF LINE CARRIED. It's basic stuff for advanced casters, and a real brain teaser for those less experienced.

One can gain a good appreciation of all this by studying Bill Gammel's video, "TEACHING YOURSELF TO FLY CAST".