Re: Line carried / distance

Group,

I agree with Al on the line shoot.  A prefect shoot would mean the shooting
distance is 50% of the line being carried.  Hold 50 shoot to 75, hold 90 shoot
to 135, hold 20 shoot to 30.  Most would recognize immedietly from the
distances listed above that those are not always possible, as Gordy pointed
out, and at times it may be possible to cast more than 50% of the line being
carried (using the wind, or at times casting at intermediate 
distances). However, working to attain those distances will increase 
the effeciency of the
caster tremedously whether they are after short or long shots.  With longer
casting, casters that can carry 90' of line (measured from the hauling hand)
are not always the most efficient.  If maximum distance is involved carrying
the most amount of line that is EASILY controlled is the most efficient, while
longer lengths of line may be possible to false a lose in speed or control is
detrimental to the shoot.  As for short line shots it is easier to overcome
outside interference (in ways such as increasing line speed changing
trajectory, etc.).  I would be of the opinion that working on this concept in
short to long casts is of great importance and very applicable to many, many
situations!

--
Jeff Wagner

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Quoting Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>:

>  Randy...  Fly size, line aberrations, etc. I consider as internal.  
> Weather, climate and conditions outside the caster and his equipement 
> are what I look at as, "external".                                    
>                                                        Gordy
>
> -------------------------
> From: /"Randy Olson" <bigfly@xxxxxxxxx>/
> To: /"Gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>/
> Subject: /Re: Line carried / distance/
> Date: /Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:33:02 -0500/
>
>  Gordy,  I haven't been able to cast since my wreck in September so 
> can't test out your questions.  My broken elbow and other injuries 
> are getting better for the most part,  but I have pretty bad vertigo 
> affecting my balance and my arms go numb when I look down.    
> Anyway....  A couple of external factors would be the darkness in 
> color of the surface you are casting on married with the amount of 
> sunshine to create rising thermals to carry the line farther  
> Humidity, altitude  I don't think you mean things like fly size, head 
> length, running line diameter, etc as "external" factors do you?  If 
> you were to put these hundreds of emails in book form, you would have 
> Ernies 1700 pages beat by a mile.  -Randy
>
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> Subject: Line carried / distance
> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:18:04 -0500
>
>  Group....  Questions to ponder:  1.) You are a good caster, and can 
> easily make the 85' target using a 7 wt. rod and a WF7F line.  It's a 
> nice day, with no wind at all.  How far are you likely to be able to 
> cast when you purposely carry 50' of line out of the rod tip before 
> making your presentation cast.  ?  2.) Now you are limiting yourself 
> to carrying only 30' of line.  How far are you likely to be able to 
> cast, now ?  3.) What simple formula would you use to come up with 
> the approximate length of flyline that you can shoot relative to the 
> amount of line carried while false casting ? (The approximate length 
> of the shoot.)  4.) What external factors would change this ratio ?   
>                                                                       
>    Gordy