Jim....
I see.
Now we have input from Steve Rajeff who feels that the line hand STOP is not as important as the point at which you release the line as the conclusion or the haul. He points out that sometimes distance casters release the line with the line hand on the haul without ever stopping the hand motion.
Gordy
From: "jimpenrod" <t.maltese@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: STOP of the line hand
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:23:21 -0500
Gordy,Yes the stop of the haul hand was meant to match the strokeJim----- Original Message -----From: Gordon HillTo: jfv@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx ; sobbobfish@xxxxxxx ; rtab@xxxxxxx ; CAPTPERMIT@xxxxxxx ; creangler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; dwright@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; daver@xxxxxxxxxx ; dennisg@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; captdoug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; dsprague01@xxxxxxxxxxx ; ephemera@xxxxxxx ; brushycreekfc@xxxxxxxxx ; keysjake@xxxxxxx ; barefootj@xxxxxxx ; bradyir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; flyfishar@xxxxxxxxxxx ; ken.cole@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; captkirk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; glbaggett@xxxxxxxxx ; mkreider1@xxxxxxx ; martyt@xxxxxxxxxx ; niallogan@xxxxxxxxxx ; pminnick@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; bigfly@xxxxxxxxx ; whorwood@xxxxxxxxx ; flycasts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; sheila@xxxxxxxxxx ; scjacobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; tharper@xxxxxxxxxxx ; tomwhite@xxxxxxxxxxxxCc: mildbill@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; caddis@xxxxxxx ; Brydnlnims@xxxxxxxxxxx ; cezannealexander@xxxxxxxxxxx ; crazycharlie@xxxxxxx ; croberts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; blacksalmon@xxxxxxxxxxx ; DermSox@xxxxxxx ; gladesflybum@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; gavin@xxxxxxxxxxx ; hillshead@xxxxxxx ; iverson@xxxxxxxxx ; jfs523@xxxxxxxxxxx ; jerry_puckett2001@xxxxxxxxx ; kathleen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; thedamselfly@xxxxxxxxxxx ; plami@xxxxxxxxxxx ; ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; kerrrc@xxxxxxxxx ; simbirsw@xxxxxxx ; bobbeanblossomFFF@xxxxxxxxxxx ; hillcathy@xxxxxxx ; donjack@xxxxxxxxxxx ; douglas.swift@xxxxxxxxxxxx ; erniemaynard@xxxxxxxxxxx ; flyfsfrank@xxxxxxx ; hlpc@xxxxxxx ; jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; t.maltese@xxxxxxxxx ; skifishvail@xxxxxxxx ; trallag@xxxxxxx ; captflyrod@xxxxxxx ; mollysemenik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; fraudflies@xxxxxxx ; shane@xxxxxxxxx ; snowmonkey29@xxxxxxxSent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:17 AMSubject: RE: STOP of the line handJim....
I agree.
But you have not answered my question, unless I can infer that by matching the haul to the stroke includes the timing of the STOP OF THE HAUL HAND.
Gordy
From: "JFV" <jfv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Gordon Hill'" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: STOP of the line hand
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:38:11 -0500
Hi Gordy & Group,
Very appropriate question as I have been working on my distance and hauls.
First let me say that when teaching the haul an instructor should consider the level of the student and then decide how much detail the student will be able to handle.
Matching the haul to the stroke seems to be the least confusing.
A couple of questions on hauling:
1.) Do you think there is merit in making a sudden crisp STOP with the line hand at the conclusion of your haul when trying for maximum distance ?
The alternative is a deceleration (or decrease in the rod load), which will slow the line down thus decreasing the potential of the haul (line speed ?distance).
2.) Should you make that line hand stop at the exact time you make the stop with the rod hand ?
If you haul after the rod Stop you are pulling the line backwards and actually removing energy from the system! Counter-productive!
Jim Valle
MCI
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Subject: STOP of the line hand
Group:
A couple of questions on hauling:
1.) Do you think there is merit in making a sudden crisp STOP with the line hand at the conclusion of your haul when trying for maximum distance ?
2.) Should you make that line hand stop at the exact time you make the stop with the rod hand ?
Gordy