Salt water Quick cast 3

Walter & Group...

[GH] Note the attachment. River safety and rescue is a topic we covered years ago. Worth revisiting in the future.

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[GH] Many answers to share. Many ways this could have happened. Most of them described in the following messages make sense. Lots to learn by taking the time to consider each of these.

Most of today's entries are from anglers experienced with these techniques.

Tomorrow, I'll add some from those with little or no actual experience along with their questions and concerns.

Then I'll tell you what actually happened after reviewing more entries:

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[GH] Tim Lawson asks a question which I'll answer tomorrow:

Hi Gordy,

I know how excited I get at the sight of approaching bonefish, but I'm still having trouble visualizing how Sam got hooked. Was the setup as Joan describes it, i.e., the first move was a roll cast? Did the piercing occur on the initial roll cast, or subsequent false casting?

Tim

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[GH] From Mark Milkovich :

Gordy,

Sorry to leave you in the lurch on responses. Mark

1.) Describe at least 2 methods of making the SALTWATER QUICK CAST (SPEED CAST) from a skiff.

1. The fly and line can be allowed to drag alongside & behind the skiff.

2. The fly can be held in the casters off hand and swept to the rear with a back cast.

2.) Which METHOD do you think may have led to the hook-up injury?

It is more likely to have happened holding the fly and making a back cast.

3.) What do you think the CASTER DID to make this injury likely?

You indicated the wind was quartering so the cast was probably made from the upwind rather than downwind shoulder allowing the fly to be blown in to the angler.

4.) Describe another simple FAULT which can make a hook injury likely to happen when making these saltwater quick casts.

Holding the hook ahead of the bend and impaling the hand when attempting the cast.

5.) A number of very experienced Florida Keys saltwater skiff guides strongly discourage any but seasoned salt water fly anglers from attempting these casts when fishing. Why do you think this might be?

They have had their quota of piercings.

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[GH] From Gary Davison:

Gordy answering these quickly just received and read before heading out.

Gary

QUESTIONS : (No single perfect answer to any of these 5 questions.)

1.) Describe at least 2 methods of making the SALTWATER QUICK CAST (SPEED CAST) from a skiff.

Could be forward cast or back cast release to start the cast.

Could be fly in rod hand or line hand presentation

Could be short vs long distance presentation

2.) Which METHOD do you think may have led to the hook-up injury ?

Back cast presentation with fly in line hand.

3.) What do you think the CASTER DID to make this injury likely ?

Swinging out too far on the initial back cast and too much rotation of the body and arm on the back cast to cause poor tracking which caused a lay out of the line. Leader and hook, way behind the caster and then coming over the top on the forward cast sending the hook in a collision course with the body.

4.) Describe another simple FAULT which can make a hook injury likely to happen when making these saltwater quick casts.

Not compensating or being aware of the wind direction when making the cast due to the heat of the moment.

Rushing the cast and sending the line in extreme position by not letting the cast set up correctly with good tracking due to the excitement of the event.

Liability and injury caused if done incorrectly to both fisherman and guide.

Also makes for a very long stressful day for all parties if there is no command and control of the casting and awareness of the conditions around you when making the cast. .

Gary

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[GH] John Hand weighs in :

I find that if they release the fly on the backcast,and the wind is on the casting shoulder,the fly path will come too close to the caster. Especially if they release the fly too early.

I instruct my students to make a roll cast toward the target. When they make the forward cast, cross the rod arm over the line hand. This releases the fly on the forward cast pulling the fly away from the rod and the caster.

A lot of casters have a tendency to drop the fly, the fly should actually be pulled out of the line hand with the forward momentum.

Sorry, I misplaced the specific questions you sent out.

Get on the Water ---

Bend a Rod !!!

Capt. John Hand

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[GH] From Gary Meyer:

Gordy,

I'm guessing your caster was holding the fly in his left hand? If so, the fish probably caught his attention and he forgot to have the fly "clear for take-off". Two ways to do that are (1) tossing the fly to the right and well outside, or (2) crossing the left hand under the rod, again outside the casting track. Tossing the fly with an on-shoulder wind is not safe as you have no control of where the fly will be.

Another way to guarantee hooking yourself is to plan on having the line snatch the fly out of your fingers, but not making sure the hook point is outside the finger tips - again, cleared for take-off.

Gary

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[GH] From Ken Cole:

Evening, Gordy

Two "faults" that come to mind:

1. The line was not held under tension and slack wandered into the cast during the swing, probably at the point of the start of the first forward cast.

2. And speaking of points, the caster was holding the fly point down and did not let the swing pull it from his fingers, dropping it instead.

Ken Cole

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[GH] From Len Anderson:

1. a. I have about 70' - 80' of fly line off the reel, I keep about 25' of fly line out the end of the fly rod, rest of line in basket or on bow of boat , hold about 2' of leader in my off hand with the fly between my thumb and forefinger or dangling just below my off hand. When casting I take one false cast back, one forward cast slipping line to carry enough line on back cast to be able to be able to cast up to 80' of to the moving target. When casting 50' or less, I use one back cast and final forward cast at target

b. Another method would be to have 70 - 80' of fly line off the reel hold more than 30' of fly line out the end of the fly rod, loop the line twice hold in my off hand along with fly between thumb and forefinger. When target spotted, make back cast and let fly line come off hand and let the pull from the fly line pull fly from grip, make one back cast and final forward cast.

2. Probably holding the fly in hand along with loops.

3. Probably too much slack from poor back cast.

4. Making a out of plane casting stroke.

5. Trying a Belgium cast when there is a wind from behind.

Len Anderson

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