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Walter & Group...
[GH] From Alan Kato :
Gordy,
These quizzes are very enlightening. Got to study curves and cast more! I listened to a Mac Brown ask about fly fishing podcast. I’ve been trying to cast loops 360 degrees around the rod leg using wrist twist and tip path curves, with limited success. But it’s fun.
Got to try the curve-mend stuff. I know I’ve done it by accident and didn’t know it!
I’ll have to do some research on the corkscrew cast. I have a long way to go!!!
Thanks,
Alan
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[GH] Alan,
Some advice :
1.} Don't try or even think about the corkscrew cast until you have mastered the others.
2.) As you learn, avoid the combination casts such as the curves augmented by mends.
3.) DO concentrate on pure curve casts. As you do so :
a. Best to find an MCI who will teach them to you.
b. While most of us cannot learn to cast from books, you might well heed the references I provided.
d. When self teaching, as with most casts new to you :
- practice with only about 30' of line out of the rod tip.
- Don't increase your distance until you are proficient with the curves.
- THINK about each movement of the rod and what it accomplishes as you do this.
- Hopefully you will get some help by carefully reading the descriptions of these curve casts by Mark Milkovich and Lewis Hinks as well as comments in our last two messages.
e. I suggest learning the underpowered curve cast first.
f. Then I'd go to the side-arm powered cast (with no mend). When "direct teaching", I sometimes tell my right handed student to, "Cast fast to the left, stop the rod hard and early, and hold still while the rod tip flips back to the right"
4.) Making the curves by methods entailing twisting of the wrist is a lot more difficult for many casters. That wrist twist has to be timed just right (as close to the conclusion of the cast as you can).
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[GH] From Bob Rumpf :
Hi Gordy & group,
If I understand the question correctly; An easy way to combine a mend with a curve cast would be to make a wrist curve and add a reach mend. I teach this to students with sufficient skills. It produces a super head start for a long drag-free drift when fishing dries.
As regards horizontal casting with sufficient speed to cause the rod tip to describe a curve, a haul should not be necessary. Just make sure you generate enough speed and stop the rod very abruptly, even pulling back a bit with the rod. After working at this method for a while, it becomes possible to even turn the curve into a sharp hook.
Regards,
Bob Rumpf
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Bob,
I agree. These are both good fishing casts.
So there is no misunderstanding, however, I must point out that the reach mend in the first instance as well as the, "pulling back a little" in the second are mends used to increase the efficiency of the curve.
MCI CANDIDATES MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THESE MENDS USED TO AUGMENT THE CURVE CASTS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE CASTING EXAM.
HAULS ARE ALSO NOT ALLOWED ON THE CURVE CAST TASKS.
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[GH] From Joe Libeu (Chair MCI Testing Committee) :
Gordy,
In viewing the videos, I see casts that would not be accepted for the MCI test. I see mends, pull backs and the use of the double haul to achieve the cast. As the current test reads and has been accepted they would not be acceptable.
Joe
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[GH] Joe,
Right you are ! The web page You Tube-2 Web video actually emphasized factors which are at variance with the requirements for Task 5 on the MCI exam. These included:
1. Hauls.
2. "Pull-backs" (Many of us would look at these as mends.)
3. Despite the use of an unweighted dry fly, the yellow colored line tip acted as though it was weighted, thus augmenting the "kick-over" which exaggerated the curve.
4. Back cast loops which were much greater than 3 feet in width.
5. There was no target around which to place the curve.
6. Hard to be certain as I watched the film, but the curves may have been closer to the caster than 30 feet.
Gordy
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This brings us to read and heed the wording for Task 5 :-
Task 5.
Using the same hand, demonstrate an overpowered and under-powered curve casts with the fly landing approximately 30 feet (9.1m) from the caster.
No hauling allowed.
Expectations : Line and/or leader should land in a distinct curve. Well defined loops approximately 3 feet (.9m) or less in height prior to the curve.
The leader and/or the line should land curved around a target approximately 30 feet (9.1m) from the caster.
Curve casts are made by rod motion prior to loop formation; they are not aerial mends.
We expect no pull-backs or other accentuating movements.
Passed (___)
Failed (___)
Tailing loops (___)
Line/leader not landing in a curve (___)
Aerial mend instead of a curve (___)
Comments:
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