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Walter & Group...
[GH] Guy Manning's question, "What would you mean, if you stated, 'the candidate was well prepared for the CI test' ” should be important to all Masters.
Masters have the responsibility to teach, advise, mentor, and examine CCI candidates. For this reason alone, it behoves them to be as conversant as possible with the journey a budding candidate must take from the time he decides to seek certification through his exam and beyond.
Having us all on "the same page" with respect to what we expect of these candidates will go a long way to having their exams become as fair as possible while at the same time assuring that the candidate who passes will have met whatever standard is set by the CICP.
I suspect that is what Guy had in mind when he posed his question.
Gordy
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[GH] Sometimes we can profit from experiences of other disciplines in life. With this in mind, I give you this from Kathleen Wagner, a professional educator and FFF CCI :
Gordy,
I found this discussion interesting, with my background teaching the public schools...
Since the CCI is a teaching certification, so to speak, I often tend to draw parallel lines with the certifications and K-12 teaching certifications. The question I feel that needs to be clearly answered, but has not been that I have found, is what level is the CCI? And Master?
Is the CCI like a student-teacher license? You have done the book and class work and are not licensed to be in your own classroom, but can student teach under someone, and the Master is the license? Or is CCI the actual first license to teach... you've done the school work, and the student teaching, and now you get your own classroom, and the Master is the doctorate in your subject field?
If it is the first, you should not be expected to have taught much, but the head knowledge, terminology and casting ability is there. The next step is a mentor to make sure you are student-teaching correctly, and so forth. However, if it is the latter, where a CCI is a licensed teacher, a specific number of clock hours may be the solution. If this is the case, the CCI-candidate is then a student teacher and should be checking in with a mentor to make sure their lessons are correct and in line. Otherwise you run into the current problem, where many come with the knowledge but have never had the student-teaching, so they fail. The candidate has taught, but does not do it well, as no one has guided them. You can not expect a college graduate to jump into a classroom and do well, without any guidance. You can not expect someone who's studied and practiced but has to guidance to pass either.
Just a thought, take as you will,
Kat Wagner
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[GH]j From Gary Meyer:
Gordy,
A lot of thoughts on a well prepared CI candidate, but I'm surprised by something I did not see anyone mention... so I'll just quote it:
"In all cases, the candidate must demonstrate the good, relaxed form that would be expected in a certified instructor, and which would instill confidence in students."
Gary Meyer
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[GH] From John Till :
Hi Gang,
Perhaps I am being redundant. But darn it, when Gary Borger tested me, he performed some casts and had me “assist” him correct his defects. I thought that that was what we were supposed to do. When Mel and I tested, we would take turns casting with faults and have the candidates diagnose the problems. I am getting into the world of the two handed rod. I recently had one of the best in the World help me—he was not good at diagnosing my problems.
A CCI must be able to stand on his or her own and be able to diagnose, and in a professional manner, assist his or her students. To expect otherwise is to degrade Mel’s and the FFF’s whole concept of professionalism. I certainly do not mean that the candidate needs to be perfect. However, it seems to me that we should have the examiners substantiate that the person can diagnose and teach. I am going from memory, so be kind, but as I recall, we do not have a set of actual poor casts to be performed by the examiners. The concept of “throw a tailing loop” and explain, etc., does not mean that a person can teach and diagnose others. Have a great weekend. Sincerely, John
John C. Till
Casting Chairperson Golden Gate Angling & Casting Club
FFF Master Certified Instructor
Formerly G. Loomis Pro Staff
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[GH] From Wirianto Ng :
Hi Gordy,
[GH] Question : What would you mean, if you stated, “the candidate was well prepared for the CI test.” ?
Answer: I believe when the candidate was well prepared for the CI test, it would be for he/she should first understand the FFF, its brief history and the test protocol, and should be able to pass the written test and perform every task requested in the performance test in "perfect" manner (i.e. starting from the pick-up and lay down, narrow loop, no tailing loop (unless requested by the examiners), smooth casting, perform each task slow enough for the beginners to be able to see, etc. and he/she should be able to explain the followings for each task:
1. What is the said cast (i.e. Pile Cast)?
2. When do you need this cast?
3. How do you perform and teach this cast?.
Well prepared also means that the candidate should spend his/her time studying all topics which relates to the test and knowing the 5 Essentials (from Bill and Jay Gammel). This can be done by reading books, articles in The Loop archive, watching vcd & dvd, magazines, websites and participate in study groups), apart from practicing each of the task. He/she also needs to prepare demonstration tools (notepad, whiteboard, marker pens, etc.) that they can use during explanation of the tasks.
I also think in order to reach the "well prepared" stage for the candidate, mentoring and coaching (from MCI or CCI) is advisable and necessary.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Wirianto Ng
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[GH] From Shaun Ash :
When I tested I was given a simple bench mark by Paul Arden, for him to pass a cci he would have to be happy to send someone he knew for a paid lesson with that cci , The candidate has to be able to teach, explain, demonstrate what ever they are asked.
Shaun
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