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    Walter & Group...

    [GH]  Bob Stouffer answers questions on casting with a strong wind from behind ("tail wind") My brief comments in his answer text in bold italics :

     
    Bob & Group...
     
    [GH] Still waiting for discussion on casting with a strong wind from behind.  
     
    I'd like this to include several parameters, as though you were teaching this to a student :
     
    1.  Statement of problem.  Strong wind from behind repels the back-cast and tends to introduce unwanted slack line.  This reduces the effectiveness of the forward stroke and arc.  The "give-back" on a back-cast haul sequence introduces slack.  Timing is not symmetrical.  The trajectory must be adjusted.  Roll cast D loop may not remain in-place to the rear.

    [GH]  Agree.  A strong tail wind can even blow the D-loop beside or in front of the caster making it almost impossible to load the rod properly for the forward delivery cast.

    2.  Loops.  Loops into the wind must be tight.  Loops with the wind may be wider (helping wind).

    [GH]  Seems obvious, though I have witnessed candidates being criticized for purposely forming a wide loop to allow the wind to assist.  "Kiting" the loop can save the output of casting energy.
     
    3.  Line speed.  Line speed must be high on the back-cast and may be more relaxed on the front-cast.  One back-cast and go is the goal.

    [GH]  Yes.
     
    4. Use of trajectory.  For wind from behind, effective trajectory is a straight line from low in back to high in front.

    [GH}  Poorly informed candidates will sometimes fail to mention or demonstrate the use of trajectory change.
     
    6. Timing.  Shorten the normal pause on the back-cast.  Do not let the loop completely unroll.

    [GH]  Yes. Also helps to carry less line for the back cast than you would normally carry for the same distance cast as made with no wind.
     
    7. Problems specific to roll casting.  Anchor may not hold to the water if a large D loop is formed.

    [GH]  That can happen, though uncommonly.  You spoke to the main problem with your answer to #1.
     
    8. Solutions to roll casting problems with strong tail wind.  Low rod-tip and "water-anchored" loop.  Cast off-vertical.  Run the rod tip above the water-anchored line layout.  Begin the cast slowly and finish with the same down-back to high-up trajectory.

    [GH]  Agree.
     
    9. Special casts,maneuvers and/or tricks.  Strong single-haul (no give-back) into the back-cast.  Save a little haul distance for a short haul on the front-cast.

    [GH]  Yes.  Another ploy is to use a water haul for the pickup into the back cast for deeper rod load.

    Well done, Bob !
     
    Gordy

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    [GH]  Ckling Ling sends basically the same answers, and adds some additional information including a note on safety in his problem statement :


    1.  Statement of problem.

    Strong wind from behind reduces line speed and hence momentum, this causes loss of line tension at the rod tip. When the wind is strong enough it even introduces slack into the back cast. 
     With tension loss, there is a loss of connectivity from rod tip to line, giving rise to timing problem, slack and inappropriate application of power and hence poor presentation.
    Second issue is safety as wind can blow slack into line and leader causing fly  in all sort of unusual position which may hit caster on the forward cast.


    2.  Loops.

    Back cast narrow loops, front cast medium to very wide depending on applications.


    3.  Line speed.

    High line speed in the back cast, moderate to slow speed in front.


    4. Use of trajectory.

    Lower at the back, higher to the front.


    6. Timing.

    Shorter pause with high speed back cast, generally longer pause with slower speed but also dependent of wind carrying speed.


    7. Problems specific to roll casting.

    Difficulty forming D loop.


    8. Solutions to roll casting problems with strong tail wind

    Drag p point further back and do a side arm roll cast.


    9. Special casts,maneuvers and/or tricks.

    HS/HL thrust back cast, 170 back cast, water loading in front for back cast. My own cast in back wind would be high speed horizontal narrow back cast pulling to an off vertical forward cast mainly saltwater.



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