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Walter & Group...
[GH] A bit more on listing as many faults as you can from Dennis' video.
So you don't have to dig out a prior message to review it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKUsNFAL8dY
Then we'll launch a discussion on how you would instruct this caster.
As we do that, let's do so according to Dennis' message which appears below the diagnostic entries.
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[GH] From Rick Brown :
Gordy, since it is Veteran's Day, I think this guy would do well in a flag waving contest!
His problems:
1. Slack as in puddled line on the water, beginning rod position too high and feeding slack into his cast.
2. Convex path or rod tip plus wristing on back cast. Also tracking problem.
3. Stops, almost nonexistent.
4. Stroke is too short because he starts his backcast so high.
5. Breaking 180 degree rule.
6. Erratic application of power combined with minor creep.
I think that the two most important things for a beginner to learn are elimination of slack and that the fly line follows the rod tip which later translates into straight line path of the rod tip. This caster's biggest problem is line control because of too much slack.
Rick
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[GH] From Eric Cook's deer stand (I saved his statement on how he would teach this caster for a later message.) ;-
Hi Gordy,
I am responding as I sit on the deer stand and saw the video just before leaving home yesterday morning, so I will have to go by memory as to what I saw.
As for a list of faults;
-pickup was made with the rod tip too high
-most pickups had slack in the line (rod didn't begin to load until it was straight up overhead)
-too must wrist
-can't remember being able to see the backcast for timing, but do recall additional slack being developed through the casting cycle (either from creep or from the caster trying to shoot line)
-trying to shoot line way before the caster has developed the proper mechanics to do so
There probably were more that I don't remember or I had seen enough (identified the worst) to start instructing and unknowingly chose to ignore the others.
Eric
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[GH] From Ckling Ling. (I withheld his solution for now.) :
Hi Gordy,
In answer to Liam Duffy's question; the purpose of fly casting is to be able to present the fly in the most appropriate manner for fishing, the purpose of teaching fly casting is to enable one to achieve the above efficiently.
The video shows an attempt to do a pick up and lay down cast.
Faults:1. No fixed length of fly line. From learning point of view this is the most damaging aspect as it would be very difficult to teach the essentials with continually changing length of line.
2. Slack from starting with rod tip too high, shock waves in rod leg in backcast from shocking the rod to a stop, inappropriate feeding/shooting of line in the fowarded cast.
3. Variable pause, some too long some ok
4. Too wide an arc/too low a stop in the fowarded cast, surprisingly the backcast stop is nice and high.
5. Jerky power application
6. There is a semblance of an SLP in some cast, in others mainly convex tip path
7. Tracking out in some cast, trajectory inappropriate in some cast
Ling
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[GH] From Jim Bass :
Gordy this fellow has not been instructed about the five essentials or if he has he is violating all of them. He tries to remove slack, yet keeps his rod tip high off the water, thus Slack. His timing is off thus not the proper Pause. He has no Stroke because of the cast is being made with his wrist only and is unable to keep the rod tip in a SLP. He has no Continuing Acceleration to a crisp stop. His rod plane changes from cast to cast because he is rolling his wrist. We could talk about the non control of the line with his line hand and many more.
I think he needs some help.
Best, Jim
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[GH] From Bob Rumpf :
Caster is:
Making pick-up with rod held too high
Ergo has too much slack on the water
Applying power as one speed on the back cast
No definite stop visible on back cast or front
Wrist casting or too much wrist
Casting unintended wide loops
Not adhering to the SLP rule
Exhibits slack between the line hand and stripping guide
Too much power too soon on front cast
Could be releasing line for shooting a tad soon (timing)
Overall improper application of power both front and back casts
Compliments to this first time caster for at least stopping the rod that high on the back cast. Usually they are back to three o'clock.
Regards,
Bob Rumpf
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[GH] From Jim Chestnut :
Hi Gordy,
Part A
1) Line not trapped under middle finger (or any finger) when removing
slack. This leads to #2
2) Rod tip held too high at pickup. Which leads to #3
3) Pickup too abrupt
4) No acceleration on backcast
5) Backcast arc on the short side. Leading to #6
6) Backcast trajectory too high
7) Pause timing on the backcast inconsistent - usually too long.
8) Forward casting arc too wide.
9) Release on the forward cast too early
10)No stop or unloading move on the forward cast
11)Tracking error on last cast.
Part B
That is a tough question. The major casting fault is a lousy backcast due
to poor acceleration before the stop.
However, smooth acceleration is difficult to achiever when the available
casting stroke is so short because of poor line management.
Interestingly, his immobile elbow forward casting attitude is one I
usually associate with accuracy casts.
Cheers,
Jim
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[GH] Jim,
I shelved your statement about teaching this student. I'll include it as we launch a discussion on that. You may wish to change it in light of Dennis' last message.
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INSTRUCTING DENNIS' STUDENT
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[GH] From Dennis Grant :
Hi Gordy
This is an interesting study, no play acting. The student came to me stating he had a few years of experience fly fishing for trout, but was self taught, and wanted a 2 hour 'tune up'. The reason I immediately video taped him, before any instruction began, was to give him a very clear "before' and 'after'.
As you can see I stood behind him and did not let him know that I was video taping. I covered the voice over with music. As he was casting I was asking him how he though the cast felt, with most of the casts he indicated they went well. This is a very typical 'self taught' fly fisher who can get the line out 20 or 30 feet. But who has no idea of the basics of a cast.
For now, I will only give the study group MY first instructions. 1: With the tip of the rod in the water place the line under rod hand finger, retrieve from behind the finger to remove slack. (or as my good friend Ally Gowans would say, 'Organize the line'.
A. Do you think you would begin with something different ?
B. Any suggestion on why I might start that way ?
C. What do you think you should do next ?
Dennis
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