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Walter & Group...
From John MacDiarmid,
Gordy, I like the exercise you and Tom White did with your Master's candidates in which you gave them mismatched lines and rods. I love to have a class lined up casting and go down the line casting the various rods. The difference is tremendous and it is enjoyable to quickly pick up the appropriate cast with the rod in hand.
John MacDiarmid
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[GH] I'm looking forward to responses to the questions I posed on how you would teach the student to adjust his casting to accommodate the mismatches.
If I were answering those questions, I'd think :
1. How would I adjust.
2. How would I communicate the adjustments to the student.
Gordy
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Gary Davison answers David Lambert's question : -
"Wondered if I could get line suggestions from the switch and spey guys in the group. I'm learning two-hand spey and switch, using both on my small river in North Florida, and in the surf some.
I just got an 11 foot Deer Creek from TFO and wondered if the guys could suggest a variety of lines for the river. The river is 100+/- feet wide, with a moderate flow/current, chert shoals, runs and pools, and 20 foot banks.
The rod calls for 300 to 500 grain lines but, since I'm fairly new to this form of casting, and learning, I want to try a few workable lines. Shorter lines? Suggestions? "
Gordy
Thought I would address the question by David with regards to short Spey Lines. The key word below provided by David is Short lines. This tells me that David needs a line that can be cast with limited back space yet obtain the optimum distance out of the cast to reach his target. This being the cast my advice is to go with either a Shooting Head line or a Skagit line.
Notably rule of thumb for shooting head line are roughly 2 1/2 times the length of the rod for the head length. So that would put David at a distance of 27 1/2' of shooting head attached to a running line. Also Rule of thumb with regards to the leader being used would be 1 1/2 times the length of the rod which would put him at 16 1/2' in length. So with the head out the tip 1 to 2 feet to make the cast he is looking at about 45' of line before shooting the running line.
Thing is now a days there are lines that are actually shooting head lines that also incorporate the Spey line attributes,which extended the lengths of the line for the caster and still give ideal grain weight to make the casts needed. The great thing about these lines are they react great when you want to use standard spey techniques forming a big D Loop, and also give you more versatility when you want to make a distance cast with limited back space. The line gives you the caster the choices needed to make the desired cast based on the conditions with great distance and turnover.
A recommendation would be to look at the Ballistic Express lines for your rod. I have listed some of the line weights and lengths for your review that would fit your rod's requirements depending on your desired needs. It depends on you and what type of load you want for your rod.. No cutting of the lines will be necessary. Just connect the running line and your ready to go.
The above lines work well with Poly-Coated Leaders with sink capability.
David I have used these lines during the Summer heat here in Texas with very good results catching Red fish and trout. They should work well in your tropical heat you have down there in Florida.
Note the lighter weight lines will also work great on single hand rod for both fresh and salt as well!
Ballistic Express Lines:
5/6 weight 34 ft. 350 grains
6/7 weight 36 ft. 410 grains
7/8 weight 38 ft. 470 grains
Running lines below will be matched up with the above lines to give you the best casting combination.
ELF RUNNING LINE 100'
Extremely Low Friction (E.L.F) Running Line
Sizes available:
.020" 12 Green;
.026" 15 Yellow
.032" 20 Blue
.038 30 Orange
Hope this will help.
Gary Davison
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[GH] Gary,
You have provided a lot of useful information. I, for one, will archive your message for future reference.
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From Craig Buckbee on rod designations :
at the risk of being labeled a two legged donkey, i offer my take on rod designations:
the tip section designates the line class/wgt..
the mid-section supports the tip so the rod doesn't hinge into the butt section.
the butt fights fish as well as adds needed length to the rod.
Craig
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[GH] Craig....
At first, I thought, this is too simplistic to be valid..... then I thought about it and decided that simple as it is, it has merit !
For example, when fighting big game, the most efficient rod is one where the tip section and mid section almost completely straighten out along the line when pressure is applied to the fish, so for practical purposes, the angler is fighting the fish on the butt section with the remainder of the rod almost out of the equation.
You are good at 'thinking outside the box". Refreshing !
Gordy
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