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Walter & Group.....
[GH] Let's go a bit further with our topic of Rod & Line Designations while awaiting answers to the quiz on aerial mends. I'll also include questions on how to handle mismatches between line and rod.
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Question from Jim Gill :
Gordy, As I have no knowledge of the actual design and manufacturing criteria of a fly rod - in terms of how the line rating is arrived at - just what is the difference between a #5 and #6 (or for that matter any other line rating) when it comes to the manufacture of a rod? I agree with Ally it's more to do with casting style and probably the physicality of the angler as to what suits best. As a coach and therefore in a position to advise an angler I'd like to understand some more. There is probably a good tome to read out there .. can anyone advise?
regards, Jim.
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[GH] One thing I've learned over years of teaching is not to try to answer a question to which I don't have sufficient information or knowledge. This is a case in point.
I suppose another way to pose the question is to ask, what I should do to my 5 wt. rod design to make a 6 wt. rod.
Rod designers must have some rule of thumb if not an exact formula to accomplish this.
We'll (hopefully) learn from our responses.
Gordy
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{GH} All seasoned fly casting instructors have learned to change the way they cast in response to suddenly finding themselves casting an outfit with significant mismatch between rod and fly line ratings.
When I'm confronted with that situation, I quickly "shift a few gears" and simply continue to cast without giving it a lot of thought.
If a student asks how to do this, however, we need be prepared to teach the specifics of how to respond.
Let's see how some of you would respond when your student asks these questions:
1. My fly rod is labeled #6. My fly line came in a box labeled, WF 3 F. I'm having trouble casting to a target 45' away. What changes should I make in my casting ?
2. I'm using my father's fly rod rated at #5. I only have one fly line which is labeled, WF 9 F. I was able to cast OK with my old fly line which was a WF 5 F, but now I'm having trouble making the 65' distance I used to make. How can I adjust my casting to do better ?
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[GH] Question on matching lines to an 11' TFO Deer Creek two handed rod rated at 300-500 grains from David Lambert :
Gordy, hi -
Wondered if I could get line suggestions from the switch and spey guys in the group. I'm learning two-hand spey and switch, using both on my small river in North Florida, and in the surf some.
I just got an 11 foot Deer Creek from TFO and wondered if the guys could suggest a variety of lines for the river. The river is 100+/- feet wide, with a moderate flow/current, chert shoals, runs and pools, and 20 foot banks.
The rod calls for 300 to 500 gn lines but, since I'm fairly new to this form of casting, and learning, I want to try a few workable lines. Shorter lines? Suggestions?
Appreciate all you do for us. . .and I like the new server look.
David (Lambert)
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[GH] From Craig Buckbee. Check out this link.
I include it in the present topic because of the description of the Ashaway # GAF fly line.
Since the station wagon is a 1950 Buick and the outboard motor typical of those made in the late 1940's as well as the skiff with no push-pole platform, we have a handle on the date of production.
The pre-1961 rating of fly lines was based upon DIAMETER rather than grain WEIGHT. That is the principle difference in the two methods of rating.
With the older diameter rating, the higher the letter in the alphabet, the thinner the diameter and vice versa (A being the thickest except for one maker who sold lines with AA rating.).
A "typical" double taper fly line, for example, was an HCH.
These lines were woven with extra fibers added for the thicker sections. Various manufacturers used different finishes.
We greased them to float higher and cleaned them of the "grease" so they'd sink a bit.
Asides, include the action of the angler's fly rod and casting style as well as the comment that the angler didn't expect to land the tarpon. (Landing a tarpon on a fly outfit was a rare event because the concept of adding a shock tippet was not generally known.)
I still use this angler's method of "striking" the bonefish by simply raising the rod tip. (If he had struck that second fish while it was exploding, he'd have popped even a heavy tippet ! )
The backing of Ashaway "Squidding line" was made of woven linen called, "Cuttyhunk".
For me, a nostalgic page from our past.
Gordy
Gordy,
I think you'll get a kick out of this little video.
enjoy.
craig
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