Teaching the STOP / Childeren / Books / Request for info.

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                                                            TEACHING THE STOP

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From Al Crise:

Howdy Gordy

 new address for personal mail  flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx

 still using oldflysoup@xxxxxxxxx as my Study Group address

 

The use of the non dominate hand is a great way to teach not just the stop but tracking and drift as well.

  ol Al

Allen R. Crise
FFF-Master Casting Instructor

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From Rene Hesse :

Hello Gordy,

 

You spoke of using your wife's lip stick cap as a tool to help the stop.  It was not clear to me if

it was put on the end of the full length rod and done but it reminds me of a method I heard Lefty teach and

it is something I use EVERY class now......

 

Break the rod down to half, place a pill bottle on the end of the rod tip (butt half) and play catch.

 

I have 5 pill bottles (two for each pocket and one for the tip to start). 

 

 Have them place one on the end-raise it (slowly) to the start of the forward cast position. (good time to show the proper place to stop the rod in back), then have them aim for my chest (20ft away)

 

Using 5 bottles saves throwing it back each time and if there are several students I can line them up and have them

cast it back and forth.  I call that 'taking a pill' drill.

 

Once they 'get it',  if I see them digress, all I have to say is 'take a pill' and it seems to recall the muscle memory.

 

There are always a lot of jokes about the pill bottles so I dare not use a lip stick case...especially with a name like Rene

 

Cheers,

 

Rene

 

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Rene...

 

Absolutely ... credit goes to Lefty for showing Jim Valle and me that pill bottle method the last time we did some casting together.

He placed it on the tip section of a rod.  I learned it from him .... then used the lipstick top when I didn't have a suitable bottle (light, narrow and about 2"-3" deep. )

 

It is so efficient that he tied a string to it to keep it from being cast so far as to be impossible to fetch.  The lipstick cap is OK for indoor casting so you can find it after bouncing it off the wall..... not for outdoor teaching.  With no string attached, one can cast it to a target on the wall.  Never thought of it 'til I saw Lefty do it.

 

Gordy

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Liam Duffy "comes to grips" with the STOP :

 

Hi Gordy,
              With regard to teaching the "stop" to students I ask them to "Grip" the rod at the stop. This give the student
the understanding of the "stop" When the fingers close tighty on the rod handle this also causes the muscles in the forearm  and upperarm to tighten thus creating the impetus for the hand/arm to "freeze" thereby giving the (what I call ther sudden stop) to the arm/wrist/ hand movement resulting in an "acceleration to a stop". Works for me I'll throw it open to the rest of the masterclass for discussion
Best regards,
Liam Duffy

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Liam,  

 

  For some students that might get into the brain better than the "squeeze-to-a-stop".  Another one for our bag of tricks and word pictures.  That word picture might very well yield a firmer STOP.

 

As you know, I look at the stop as providing a stable platform for the fly rod as it unloads to maintain the desired position of the rod tip at RSP.  The term, "grip" does imply a form of stability.

 

Gordy

 

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From Mishako Ishimura :

 

Dear Gordy,

 

Hope that you had a safe and fun fishing trip.

 

Thank you for the summarizing ? Stop.

 

I mentioned the followings to the students about the Squeeze to A Stop when they cast with too much speed in the middle of their stroke and/or stopped the rod too late after seeing my casting demonstration. 

 

When you see my rod tip where being stopped, don?t try to stop your rod tip exactly at there.  You stop your rod just before. 

Accelerating the rod tip movement before the stop is done not only by accelerating the hand stroke along with the forearm movement, which is added by the body movement sometime, but also ending up with your wrist and squeezing actions, which give the fastest movement to the rod tip.    

So try to stop your hand just a little early than now.  At the same time, add your wrist and squeeze actions.  You do not have to move your hand very fast at the end of stroke since this little movement of your wrist and squeeze actions will produce the very fast tip movement additionally before the stop without moving the location of your hand.

 Misako

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Misako,

You are correct.  First of all, the rod tip goes through RSP (the rod straight position) and on to counterflex and rebound.  As it goes through RSP the line starts to overtake the rod tip and form the loop.  Trying to "stop" at this point is certainlly too late and not readily definable by the caster in any event.

The approximately 0.1 sec. interval between the nidus of the "stop" and RSP is when the rod tip has been shown to be moving at its greatest speed.... this despite the fact that the hand has gone into negative acceleration.

In simple terms, the quicker we can stop after maximum loading of the rod, the better.

Gordy

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                                                               TEACHING CHILDREN

 

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From Jim Chestnut :

 

Hi Gordy,

I have been reading of the experiences in teaching children with great

interest, and many remind me of when I started teaching my daughter to

play tennis at about age 6. After practicing for a while, she said she was

tired of practicing and said "I want to play the GAME." So we played the

game - granted not USTA rules - but "the game" nonetheless. It was much

more fun for her to keep track of the points, and great fun to "beat dad."

Her love of tennis has continued to grow from those initial sessions with

me, and she now plays in college and teaches at tennis camps during the

summers.

She also throws a very good fly line. :>)

For her the motivation was both fun and competition.

Cheers,

Jim

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Jim...  Another testimonial to the idea that GAMES help to keep the attention of youngsters !

 

Gordy

 

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                                                      FLY CASTING & FLY FISHING BOOKS

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This from Bob Rumpf who has been very helpful to us as we seek hard to find or out of print fly casting and fly fishing books.  I've included his attachment. 

(For you Fly Casting history buffs: By reading Frank Steel's book, FLY FISHING ..... you'll know about things like his "Grasshopper cast", the Wye cast and the rational behind "STEEL'S ANGLE" .... What he considered the ideal casting angle of 22 1/2 degrees. )  A piece of history from 1945. 

Gordy

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                                                       REQUEST FOR INFORMATION

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Hi Gordy,

 

I hope you enjoyed the fishing. This is for when you get back. I have attached a list of study material (books) I have gathered for the groups. Would you be so kind as to see that the list gets out to the group. I also sent the list to Al. The list is self-explanatory telling interested individuals how to order any of the titles.

 

Thank you,

 

Bob Rumpf

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Request for info. from Charlie Shedd :

 

Dear Gordy

 Interesting things happen. My local fly club was

approached by a person who represents National Fly Fishing in Schools

Program . I have not heard about this one even though I teach here

and recently did a class with the high school. Can you or any one

give me any information on this. ?

charlie

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Charlie,

I have not heard of them.  Perhaps someone in our Group can tell us about them.    G.

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