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    Walter & Group.....

    REMINDER:   Please let us know if you have found the missing copy of the WINTER 2003 ISSUE OF THE LOOP !

    Gordy

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    From Sheila Hassan :

    Gordy, I love this question!

     

    Sheila M Hassan

    617-759-8627

    Sheila@xxxxxxxxxx

    www.Cast90.com

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    Sheila ...   Credit for this question really goes to Dennis Grant who brought it up in a private message.

    G.

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    Gary Davison weights in :

    Gordy,
     
    In our classes we all talk about listening to the rod while the cast is being made.  As it implies there is a lot you can obtain from listening and hearing the cast. Such as:
    The cracking noise at the end of the back cast to indicate timing. 
    The swooshing of the rod during the cast to indicate acceleration .. 
    The Fly line striking against the rod during the cast indicate slack.
     
    Using all our senses as a teacher and instructor is a gift and should be used. 
     
     All the best
       
    Gary Davison
    Gulf Coast Spey
     
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    Gary...   Also, the sickening sound made by a weighted Clouser striking the rod !       G.
     
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    Pete Greenan comes in with some things we can learn by listening to the sounds produced by the cast :

    QUESTION:  What are some of the things which can be learned by listening to the sounds made during various casts ?

    1. Power application

    2. amount of slack

    3. timing

    pete Greenan

    Gordy

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    From Mac Brown :

    Hello Gordy and the group,
    Enjoyed the hauling quiz the other day--as you pointed out I think one could make a great case for all of them (as some of the answers provided).

    I enjoy casting by sound often in the dark. It provides two main keys to the cast. The first is line velocity (higher pitch is faster) and it provides tempo (higher tempo has higher pitch/line velocity).

    Mac
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    From Lewis Hinks as he goes about thinking of the possibilities. My comments in italics:

    Message 1. 

    Hi Gordy,
     
    Interesting question to ponder while I work from home, as my son recovers from the flu and I slowly develop it.
     
    The first response that pops to mind is the timing of the backcast for single handed casting. I am sure we have all used the cracking of a whip analogy for teaching students the timing of the backcast, but I really notice the sounds of casting during the single spey cast. When I was first learning this cast, I was amazed at how much I relied on the sound of the line hitting the water, to initiate the forward part of the cast. The splash sound of the 'splash and go' was what I needed to hear to help get my timing correct,or at least close.
     
    I haven't tried that while Spey casting !
     
    Cheers,
    Lewis

    Message 2.

    Oh yea, Add the sound of ripping line off the water as an improper application of power when initiating the backcast.  Yes.
     
    Message 3.
     
    How about the sound of a line that needs to be cleaned.  Especially if loaded with marl or glacial grit.
     
    Lewis
     
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    From Walter Simberski. My brief comments in his text in italics :
     
    Well aside from fact that I may have needed to clean my line and Tom had incredible hearing (humor)
    there are some obvious things:
     
    Freshly cleaned lines do sound different.  
     
    - A snap  or crack would indicate that I need to add more pause to allow the line to unroll completely. I've also found
    that it is very difficult to make a snap unless many other aspects of your cast were very good (i.e. good tracking,
    tight loop). It's also impossible to make the snap when shooting line.
     
    Yes.  I recall a demo by Jason Borger years ago when he wowed the troops by purposly popping baloons with the fly line "whip crack".  Now THAT must have taken lots of practice !
     
    - A tick sound indicating the line touched the ground would say my pause was too long.
     
    Or the TICK on the water.
     
    - Me screaming obscenities would indicate that I need to practice a lot more (sorry - more bad humor)
     
    The not so obvious stuff -
     
    - In a properly executed short cast the casting stroke should be silent unless your goal is to overpower the cast.   Agree.
     
    - For medium to longer casts the casting stroke should be silent at the start and finish with a bit of a woosh
    or hiss from the sound of the rod and line cutting through the air. The timing of the wooshes indicates the cadence
    of your cast. How the sound goes from silent to maximum volume would indicate the smoothness of your
    power application. How quickly the sound came to a stop would indicate how quickly you executed your
    stop. The final volume of the woosh would indicate how much power was applied in the cast. Depending
    on how good your hearing was or how quiet the background noises are you could even have an idea of the
    person's rod plane.
     
    Yes.  Then the very different sound of the running line shooting through the guides.
     
    - Even if the casting stroke itself is silent you should also be able to hear a person's movement due to clothes
    rustling, etc. This can be used to tell many of the things that you would hear from rod/line sounds.
     
    One of the things I've found is that it can be difficult to actually see smoothness just by watching a person cast.
    The best indicators of smoothness are the casting analyzer, sound,  and loop shape.
     
    I don't fish with a CA, and at night I can't see my loops !  Now, however, I can "feel" and "hear" what yields good distance with minimum effort leading me to assume that the loop must have been OK.
     
    One last thing - by listening to rod/line sounds and either watching the hauling hand or listening for movement
    indicating the haul you can get a fine tuned idea of the person's haul timing in relation to their casting stroke.
     
    I hadn't thought of that !
     
    I'm sure there are many other things as well.
     
    Cheers
     
    Walter
     
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    From Michael Jones :
     
    If I hear a swooshing of the rod, my immediate thought is 'too much energy being expended' for the cast being made.  If I hear a buzzing of line, I know that the caster is financially secure enough to purchase a sharkskin.

    Michael Jones
    Maine
     
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    From Scott Swartz :
     
    Gordy,
     
    While not an answer to your question you might enjoy trying this...
     
    When a student is powering the rod much differently in the forward and back strokes I will ask them to just keep casting but to try to close there eyes and just "feel the casts". After a few closed eye strokes I ask them to listen to their casts. The disparity of the speeds will let them know which cast is "whooshing" the fastest.
     
    Capt. Scott Swartz
    http://www.floridaflyfishingschools.com
    http://www.atlantaflyfishingschool.com
     
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    COMMENTS:  
     
     In the stillness of a windless night or one of my pre-dawn trips out to the back country for tarpon, I'm impressed by how well I can critique my own casting.  When you can't see, you become more attuned to the sounds of action ... even to the gentle "slurp" of an approaching fish.  To this is added a more distinct FEEL to the cast.... both these two senses being hightened by the lack of sight.
     
    Years ago, Tom White would have me close my eyes and make distance casts while carrying the same amount of line prior to the presentation as I listened to the sound of the line in the guides.  We found that my "sightless casts" were smoother and the loops better with better layouts the less noise I heard...... at least up to the point that I was simply not using sufficient energy for the task.  Had I smoothed out my application of power ?  Was I using a more constant acceleration ?  I think so.
     
    Later, as I was field testing what were new and experimental Titanium-Nickle RECOIL guides made by OEC, the sounds made by the fly line going through them was akin to a violin being stroked by a bow .... much easier to hear and appreciate.
     
    Recently, we tried the same thing with rods fitted with those guides ...... and a textured fly line (SA SHARKSKIN).  That produced the greatest tunes of all.  Now we had different amplitutes along with clearly different frequencies.  Notes to denote what was happening !
     
    This became a neat self teaching tool for me !
     
    Gordy
     
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    From Don Pendleton on classifying the haul as he tries to bring us back down to Earth :
     
    Gordy,
     
    I really like the term technique.  After all we're teachers are we not.  That's a very simple word to describe what is a haul to a student.
     
    Don Pendleton
     
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