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    Walter & Group...

    From Guy Manning :

    Hi Gordy,

     

    You may know MCCI Eric Sherar who lives along the central coast of California. He recently posted a series of 21 videos on Youtube documenting his effort to teach someone to cast over about 1 ½ hours time period. Taking place over a 2 day period his goal was to teach the double haul before any single hand methods. It seemed to work out well with this particular student.

     

    The videos can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHofBrTUORE  under the title “An Experiment in Teaching Fly Casting”.

    They are marked clip 1 through clip 21. You will have to sort through the clips on the right hand column to find the next clip in line. It takes an hour and a half of time but the experiment as a whole is worth looking at and considering for use.  In any case it should be of some benefit to the members of your MCCI master study group.

     

    Guy Manning

    FFF Master Certified Casting Instructor

    Moderator FFFCCI Yahoo Group

    www.castflys.net

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     Guy .... Yes, indeed....   This is worth studying.

    Teaching by almost leading with a double haul is something we've been saying is a NO NO.

    It can work, however as this experiment shows.

    One thing with haul teaching, is that it is one of many methods which serve to have the student get the feel of line tension with both rod and line hand.

    A couple of years ago, I picked a young lady out of a group of folks as I was giving a Master Prep demo for Peter Lami's group in Atlanta.  After spending about 3 minutes with this gal who had not been a fly caster, I had her with enough of a basic false cast to proceed.  Using a ground-casting method, I had her double hauling in the horizontal rod plane, and immediately had her go to an off vertical plane as she cast rather well using a double haul.  From that point, it took another 2 minutes to teach her to shoot a bit of line.  THE WHOLE DEMO LESSON TOOK 12 MINUTES.

    Did she understand any real fly casting mechanics ?  NO.   Could she self correct her mistakes ?  NO.

    Could she go out and fish ?   YES.

    Speaks to teaching under unavoidable time constraints.

     

    An aside to MCCI Candidates:  REALIZE THAT THIS IS AN INTERESTING EXPERIMENT WHICH WORKED.  On your orals, be careful to recognize this.   As you know, most seasoned instructors feel that the double haul should not be taught until the basic cast has been learned and practiced.

    As with all answers to exam questions, you must be prepared to clearly and concisely defend any answer you give.... especially if it flies in the face of conventional wisdom.

    Give SHORT accurate answers.  Be ready with more detailed explanations, but don't offer these unless and until asked.

    Gordy

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                                                               Rate of Line Fall

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    Hi Gordy,
     
     
    If I cast a line and allow it to fall to the ground, then have someone take the fly in their hand and walk away from my raised rod tip, the line will eventually lift off the ground as tension increases.
     
    Since the unrolling loop, at any particular instant during an unshot cast, is exerting a similar, if lesser, force on a stationary rod leg, it still seems reasonable to me to conclude that such force might be a contributor to hang time.
     

    Walter asserts that the notion of tension increasing hang time is an illusion. Could he please explain why the above is not credible?

     

     
    Regards,
    Tony.
     
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    Tony...  Exactly my own question.    One end is allowed to free fall whilst the other is being supported by the rod tip.
     
    Gordy
     
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    Walter's answer:
     
    Gordy - I sent you an email about that some time ago. It must have gotten lost during one
    of your server overloads.
     
    The reason I say the hang time is an illusion is because tension in the line makes it act like a rod
    in some respects. We have one end supported by the elevated rod tip and the other end is in free
    fall but the line is basically acting like a rigid rod in between these two points.
     
    If we take a 50 foot rigid rod and support it at one end and then raise the other end until the
    rod is horizontal and then release it the free end will indeed free fall at the rate dicated by gravity.
    Since the other end is supported the entire rod pivots around this point. If we look at just the 10
    feet of the rod starting at the pivot point it will appear to fall very slowly but we are still obeying
    the laws of gravity.
     
    As you noted previously when we lose tension in the line the whole works falls in a catenary curve
    and the illusion is broken.
     
    Thanks!
     
    Walter
     
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    Walter...  Crystal clear !
     
    G.
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