Prior topics / Opinion / Reflections on "slide loading"

Walter & Group....

Tarpon have arrived !  (We have some all year round, but this is the start of their annual migration.)

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I hope you understand, that I won't have as much time to spend with our Group Messages as I do most of the year.

Had 2 CCI exams and one MCCI exam this week, and I have a Master pre-exam this morning.  THEN I'M OUT FOR POONS !

Gordy

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                                                                                "GOOD" LOOP

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New word picture from Rene Hesse :

Hello Gordy,

 

An ideal loop is one that accomplishes the desired task most efficiently.

 

PS- sorry about not answering a few of the questions on the last 'mend' quiz.  I often have to work on a quiz during down time at work and have very limited time and resources....It's kind of a paradox.

I figure it is better to try than not.

 

Thanks for everything,

Rene

 

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Rene...   I understand very well.  None of you should be reluctant to come in with answers or comments late after discussion of a particular topic.  We all have lives to lead.  This is why I never hesitate to share a good answer or message even if it is related to a past topic.

 

Gordy

 

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                                                                                 OPINION

 

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This is NOT a quiz.  Simply reaching for opinions, as suggested by Bruce Richards.... one additional one from me :

 

1.) Do you think that CREEP should be considered within the casting stroke ?

 

2.) Do you think that DRAG (translation of the rod without rotation) should be considered within the casting stroke ?

 

THINK before answering !

 

Gordy

 

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                                                              REFLECTIONS ON SLIDE LOADING

 

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From Thomas Berggren:

 

Hi Gordy,

Notice that it would be the last string on”slide loading” but here is a reflection to Bruce Richards comments.

” I agree entirely. I suppose some could find slide loading (terribly name
for the motion) "comfortable", I really don't see any possible physical
advantages. They would be better off learning not to use this crutch. But
as long as some advocate perceived advantages there will be those who try
to adopt it.
Interesting that the suggested advantages of smoothness (no
explanation for why), and increased rod load (probably just the opposite is
true) are very poorly explained, and there is a good reason!”

First of all!
I agree……. And my reflection is relative to the distance-casting-mega-trend here in Sweden right now.

Last year there was a lot of focus on distance casting at my casting range and I had some quite good casters here to improve their distance.    

Among those casters who reached 100 - 110 feet for start there was an easily visible slide among the “wide-open-stance-casters” and hardly any slide among the “closed-stance-casters”.
I just removed the most of the slide and the “open stancers” improved more than the others. Not as smooth as they did from start, but a little bit longer casts.
As I said “I removed the most of the slide” …….

Still there was some slide/creep because they hold the line hand while rod hand stroke (for saving hauling distance to rotation position). And I notice that it was very difficult for most open stancers to reach the reel with line hand during up feed because of the body position, maximum rod arc and tip travelling distance (rod arm completely stretched in back before start the forward cast for maximum tip travelling distance).
On the other hand it was very easy to reach the reel for the closed stancers (as they already did from start).

The closed stancers couldn’t find much more line speed by their haul. For those we found the speed in the rotation, but still they casting smooth…….      

The open stancers did find more line speed by improving their haul, but the casting was not as smooth as before. They actually missed “big time” more often because of body twist & bad tracking, but it went far when they hit it….

 

So!

If there is any right hand caster out there who God shaped with a much longer left arm. Go for distance competition, use wide open stance and no slide at all…. You will rule!

 

Try it and feel the different between open & closed stance and visualize you have a very long linehand arm..

 

Hope that make sense! Could be some language difficulties here….

 

Regards// The Swede"

 

 

Thomas Berggren, Certified Instructor
FFF - Federation Of Fly Fishers,
CCI - Certified Casting Instructor
THCI - Two Handed Certified Instructor.

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Thomas,   No language problems at all..... perfect description !

Real food for thought.  Gets back to the idea of STYLE of casting.....  "different strokes for different folks ".

 

Also makes it clear that the "slide" doesn't help everyone and may hurt some caster's performance.  We , must also consider that "sliding" may make casts a little easier and a trifle smoother for some casters who are not trying for distance.

 

Gordy

 

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