Hi Gordy,
On the subject of roll casting devices such as a
weight, clip board, etc. I've just been experimenting with a
device
that has a V shaped opening. The pointy end of
the V is pointed towards the caster. The end of the leader (with
yarn
or practice fly) is placed in the V. The yarn is
held in place by the device as the user does his/her roll cast. As
the
the rolling loop passes the V the yarn pops out
quite nicely allowing the line to unroll completely. I've just been
using
a piece of plastic for the device which is then
screwed down to something with a bit of weight (such as a board
or
piece of plywood) so I could make one up and send
it to you if you like. I'm working on adding rubber fingers
rather
than hard plastic in the vertex of the V. With a
bit of adjustment the fingers allow the leader/yarn to get pulled
through
the V if the caster applies to much power
(equivalent to ripping the line off the water and losing the anchor in
an
on the water cast).
With respect to Kirk's questions:
1. Define roll cast.
A cast made when there is no room for
a back cast.
Additional information - uses
an underslung loop.
2. Must a roll cast be made with a "dead/static" line
?
Depends
Additional information - A
static line roll cast is, by definition, made with a "dead/static"
line.
A dynamic line roll cast (aka
switch cast) is not. It is generally accepted that the term
"roll cast" refers to the
static variety and that the switch cast, while similar, is not a roll
cast.
3. Does the roll cast have a back cast ?
No
4. Does a roll cast roll out on the water ?
Depends
Additional information: Where the cast unrolls is
under the control of the caster. When executing
a roll cast pick up, for example, the line
would unroll above the water.
5. Is the "distance" roll really a roll cast
?
I haven't heard this term before. I will assume you mean a switch
cast.
No.
Additional information - see answer to question
2.
6. Are the delivery moves of spey casts roll casts
?
No.
Additional information - they are switch
casts.
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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:10
AM
Subject: Teaching / Power / Roll
Casting / QUIZ
Walter & Group...
From Phil Gay:
Gordy,
Peter makes a great point on asking
questions. I do the same. I tell my students when I get ready to
discuss the basic priciples of casting that I am going to ask them what they
are at the end of my discussion and demonstration. Very effective
technique.
Ken also makes a point on power I also use and that
is to pick the pace of the cast. I also like yours of using less
power. I also use an auditory cue which is to say to the students
casting too fast or using too much power, "What is all that noise I
hear when you are casting." I then demo an essentially quiet cast
except for Mel's "Schwit" at the ends of the stroke. Then I ask the
students to make the rod noise go away.
Phil
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Phil.... I use Mel's "Schwit",
too.
I make up my rods with REC "Recoil" guides
of Nickel Titanium, because of the salt. These make a great deal more
noise when vibrated by a moving fly line. Impossible to get rid of all
the sound, but as the caster tries to do that, it really emphasizes the idea
of the use of less power. (They really sing when one of those
Sharkskin lines is used !)
Gordy
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Roll Casting Practice
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Gordy
When practicing roll casting on grass, I slip my yarn fly into the ring
that holds my car keys. I always have them handy. A clip board can also
supply an anchor,by clipping the yarn fly down as you would a sheet of
paper. Some explanation to a student is in order about the anchor
concept, or you may be asked as I was "isn't it going to be
difficult to pick that up and cast it?
When teaching the roll cast, John VanDalen's "word picture",
No Power before Midnight " has served well to get
the student to pull the line/rod tip into position before beginning the
acceleration to the stop.
regards,
Tom
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Tom... Yes. That "no
power 'til midnight" word picture which works. As with false
casting and delivery, it serves to delay rotation. Bruce Richards has
shown with photography combined with the use of the Casting Analyzer, that
this is one way to gain a reasonably straight line path of the rod tip where
it is most needed..... near and at max. rod load. This results in
tighter/ smaller loops.
Gordy
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From Gary Davison:
Gordy
Word pictures for teaching-- Roll Casting:
Simon Gawesworth on the Video "Rio's Modern Spey Casting"
uses a good visual analogy for teaching roll casting.
He used an imaginary railway track. Left rail and right
rail that always run parallel with each other for ever and ever.
Simon touched on the following:
Keep your roll cast on the rails. If your cast deviates too
far off in a direction to where the rails are no longer parallel, then you
will have problems making the cast due to line stick or pulling line off the
water to make the cast. Also if you cast with the rails crossing
over each other, then real problems occur. Collision and a tangled
mess.
If you are on the left rail track you need to cast down the right rail
track, If your on the right rail track you need to cast down the left
rail track. Your target and line position will dictate what rail track
you are on. This is easy for the beginner to visualize.
All the best
ï ï ï ï ï
Gary Davison
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COMMENT: Also see: SPEY CASTING by Simon
Gawesworth, pp. 36-50.
For a different take on roll casting, check out: CASTING
WITH LEFTY KREH, Lefty Kreh, pp. 139-160.
Also: Jason Borger's, NATURE OF FLY CASTING, Jason
Borger, pp. 153- 160.
And : Joan Wulff's FLY CASTING TECHNIQUES,
Joan Wulff, pp. 18-22, 160 & 174,
THE CAST,
by Ed Jaworowski, pp. 53-60, 84-88, &
199-201,
CASTING ANGLES, by Mac Brown, pp. 183-187.
A great exercise for those studying for their MCCI exams, is the
comparison of these ways of looking at the roll cast and the making of an
outline with respect to: a.) Their similarities.
and b.) Their differences.
(The candidate can profit from using this method while studying
numerous facets of fly casting.... such as the different arm/elbow styles of
known casting experts, etc. )
Gordy
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Kirk Eberhard comes in with these roll cast
questions. Let's see how you do with them .... I
suggest two answers for each question ..... a. SHORT
ANSWER b. LONGER ANSWER (if
needed) G.
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Hi Group,
A student or examiner might ask for a
definition of a roll cast. This is not as easy as it might
seem.
1. Define roll cast.
2. Must a roll cast be made with a "dead/static"
line ?
3. Does the roll cast have a back cast ?
4. Does a roll cast roll out on the water
?
5. Is the "distance" roll really a roll cast
?
6. Are the delivery moves of spey casts roll casts
?
Kirk |