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Walter & Group...

From Phil Gay:

Gordy,

 

    Peter makes a great point on asking questions.  I do the same.  I tell my students when I get ready to discuss the basic priciples of casting that I am going to ask them what they are at the end of my discussion and demonstration.  Very effective technique.

 

   Ken also makes a point on power I also use and that is to pick the pace of the cast.  I also like yours of using less power.  I also use an auditory cue which is to say to the students casting too fast or using too much power,  "What is all that noise I hear when you are casting."  I then demo an essentially quiet cast except for Mel's "Schwit" at the ends of the stroke.  Then I ask the students to make the rod noise go away.

 

Phil

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Phil....  I use Mel's "Schwit", too.

 

I make up my rods with REC "Recoil" guides of Nickel Titanium, because of the salt.  These make a great deal more noise when vibrated by a moving fly line.  Impossible to get rid of all the sound, but as the caster tries to do that, it really emphasizes the idea of the use of less power.  (They really sing when one of those Sharkskin lines is used !)

 

Gordy

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                                                                Roll Casting Practice

 

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Gordy

When practicing roll casting on grass, I slip my yarn fly into the ring that holds my car keys. I always have them handy. A clip board can also supply an anchor,by clipping the yarn fly down as you would a sheet of paper. Some explanation to a  student is in order about the anchor concept, or you may be asked  as I was  "isn't it going to be difficult to pick that up and cast it? 

 

When teaching the roll cast, John VanDalen's "word picture", No Power before Midnight " has served well to get the student to pull the line/rod tip into position before beginning the acceleration to the stop.

regards,

 

Tom

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Tom...   Yes.  That "no power 'til midnight" word picture which works.  As with false casting and delivery, it serves to delay rotation.  Bruce Richards has shown with photography combined with the use of the Casting Analyzer, that this is one way to gain a reasonably straight line path of the rod tip where it is most needed..... near and at max. rod load.  This results in tighter/ smaller loops.

 

Gordy

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From Gary Davison:

 

 

Gordy

 

Word pictures for teaching-- Roll Casting:

 

Simon Gawesworth on the Video "Rio's Modern Spey Casting" uses a good visual analogy for teaching roll casting. He used an imaginary railway track.  Left rail and right rail that always run parallel with each other for ever and ever. 

 

Simon touched on the following:

Keep your roll cast on the rails. If your cast deviates too far off in a direction to where the rails are no longer parallel, then you will have problems making the cast due to line stick or pulling line off the water to make the cast.  Also if you cast with the rails crossing over each other, then real problems occur. Collision and a tangled mess. 

 

If you are on the left rail track you need to cast down the right rail track,  If your on the right rail track you need to cast down the left rail track.  Your target and line position will dictate what rail track you are on.  This is easy for the beginner to visualize.

 

 

All the best

    

Gary Davison

 

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COMMENT:  Also see:  SPEY CASTING by Simon Gawesworth, pp. 36-50.

 

For a different take on roll casting, check out:  CASTING WITH LEFTY KREH, Lefty Kreh, pp. 139-160.

 

Also:  Jason Borger's, NATURE OF FLY CASTING, Jason Borger, pp.  153- 160.

 

And :  Joan Wulff's FLY CASTING TECHNIQUES, Joan Wulff, pp. 18-22, 160 & 174,

 

            THE CAST, by Ed Jaworowski, pp. 53-60, 84-88, & 199-201,

 

            CASTING ANGLES, by Mac Brown, pp. 183-187.

 

            

 

A great exercise for those studying for their MCCI exams, is the comparison of these ways of looking at the roll cast and the making of an outline with respect to:   a.)  Their similarities.  and  b.) Their differences.

 

(The candidate can profit from using this method while studying  numerous facets of fly casting.... such as the different arm/elbow styles of known casting experts, etc. )

 

Gordy

 

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Kirk Eberhard comes in with these roll cast questions.   Let's see how you do with them ....  I suggest two answers for each question ..... a. SHORT ANSWER      b. LONGER ANSWER (if needed)   G.

 

Hi Group,

    A student or examiner might ask for a definition of a roll cast. This is not as easy as it might seem.

 

1. Define roll cast.

 

2. Must a roll cast be made with a "dead/static" line ?

 

3. Does the roll cast have a back cast ?

 

4. Does a roll cast roll out on the water ?

 

5. Is the "distance" roll really a roll cast ?

 

6. Are the delivery moves of spey casts roll casts ?

 

Kirk