CREEP.... Corrections, More

Walter & Group....

From Mack Martin:-

Gordy:

 

Two methods that almost always work is to have the student drift on each backcast, until muscle memory takes effect and the creeping stops and/or showing the student digital clips (sometimes in slow motion) of his casting arm during the forward cast. When a student sees exactly what their actions are they usually fix the problem themselves.

 

Another method that sometimes works is simply to reduce the length of line being cast until the creeping stops. Then have the student false cast with that length while concentrating on the backcast pause to gain memory . Then incrementally increase the length of the cast until they reach their desired casting stroke.

 

Those seem to work for me....

 

Mack

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Mack...   This method of demonstrating to the student what he is doing using video clips is really good.  Of course, it must be accompanied by a clear description so the student understands what you are showing him.

Gordy

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From Steve Hollensed:-

Gordy,

 

For auditory correction of creeping I use: "stop & freeze the hand". (The hand should "thaw out"  at about the time the line has almost straightened)

 

For kinesthetic correction we " cast together" (with permission) and "freeze the hand" together while I am verbally saying this.

 

For visual correction I ask them to go horizontal along a rope (where they can watch the whole thing) and I ask them if they think they are creeping (if previously defined) or starting to soon, etc. -  to engage them in the problem , and then go from there.   

 

I think that creeping is less of a problem, or at least more easily corrected, if they are watching their back cast.    

 

Steve

 

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Steve...

 

Yes.  I have found that watching the back cast helps a lot.  .... Even so, this must be preceeded by an explanation.

 

Gordy

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From Jim Higgens:

 

Gordy & Group

 

 

1  Have the student add drift to their cast to counteract the tendency to creep.

 

2  Have the student make the backcast and hold the stop hand position position until the line hits the ground behind them.  This will help overcome the tendency to creep.

 

 

Just another thought on creep.

 

When a person is picking up line from the water and raises the rod horizontally before beginning the backcast - is this creep or does it have another name?

 

Jim Higgins

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Jim ....   I was waiting for this one !    YES.  I consider this a form of, "reverse creep". 

 

Actually one can creep just prior to making a back cast.  The caster is false casting.  He makes the forward stroke and as the loop is still unfurling or newly unfurled, he slowly creeps the rod back with practically no acceleration, THEN starts his back stroke.  As when done in the other direction, it shortens the available stroke length, rod arc, and tip travel. 

 

When done as a prelude to the back stroke, it usually does not result in a tail only because most casters (especially students) do not overpower back casts as often as they do forward casts.   It does result in a less than perfect back cast, however,  with what appears to be an, "almost tail" sometimes yielding a bizarre back cast loop.

 

On an MCCI exam, if asked to make a tail on the back cast, this is one way to do it ..... just use a bit of reverse creep and a spike of power early in the back cast stroke.

 

Gordy

 

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From Rene Hesse:-

Hello Gordy,

Methods of teaching student not to creep after you've explained and demonstrated what wrong and right;

 

Short answer # 1. Watch your back cast and don't start forward until the line straightens.

                     # 2.  Wait until the rod stops vibrating after your stop before you start forward.

                     # 3   After the stop 'Drift' back just a bit and relax.

 

Long answer #1. Hold up your index finger a foot from your nose.  Look right past it so you focus on an object in the distance directly in line with your finger.  As long as you have the use of both eyes, you'll see two somewhat transparent images of your index finger you focus on the distant object. Now, do the same with your rod.  When you make a backcast stop, briefly frame a distant object with the two images of your rod. Fortuitously, the time it takes for you to frame the distant object with yur rod's two images is just the amount of time it takes for the average backcast to straighten.  As long as you are taking the time to frame the object with the two still images of your rod, you won't creep.

Quoted from Macauley Lord 'Fly-Casting Handbook' page 140

Rene

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From Tony Loader:

Hi Gordy,

 

My first choice would be to teach him to smoothly drift the rod tip up and back while feeling the tension of the unrolling loop.

If this is initially too complex, then teaching him to simply raise his rod arm slightly during the pause may be sufficient.

 

Other options would be to have him consciously pause for a slightly longer interval or to turn his head after the stop to watch the backcast loop unroll or to relax his rod hand immediately after the stop, particularly if the creeping appears to be "bouncing" or "rebounding".

 

Regards,

Tony.

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From Ken Cole and Belle   (Belle is Kens wonder dog ! ) :-

 

Morning, Gordy

Belle says Hello.

If the student can't "be a statue" (stop and stay stopped), then he must follow the loop with the rod tip (drift).

The band-aid fix would be to open up the casting arc, and widening or dumping the loop.

It may help if the student watches the line if this is occurring on the back cast.

Thanks for keeping the group going.

Ken Cole

Texas Fly Fishing Outfitters

FFF/Certified Casting Instructor

214 969-1030

ken.cole@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Ken....  Yes.     With any of the methods of creating a concave tip path and a tail, one can sometimes abort the actual tail by placing a more convex rod tip path at the end of the stroke or exaggerating rebound immediately after the stroke.

 

This is, indeed, a temporary or, "band-aid" fix.  NOT a good one when you want your student to cure the problem once and for all.  Guides will sometimes use this when not actually giving fly casting lessons.

 

Gordy

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From Peter Minnick:-

 

Gordy

Demonstrate and explain creep with the outcome of a tailing loop.

 
Demonstrate and exaggerate the creeping move on the backcast.

Open up the stance,watch the backcast and focus on repositioning the rod hand in a drifting rather than a creeping motion...

 

Peter

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Peter:   I find it most effective to demonstrate what I mean by the term, CREEP, by grossly exaggerating the maneuver.  Must be done slowly and with really good control, so the student can readily see what you are doing.

 

(Start creeping your rod tip forward darn near into the next county while your back cast loop is still unrolling ....... then overpower your forward stroke and make a tail which is really easy for your student to see.  Helps to carry lots of line when making this demo.)

 

The student sees what you did ......... and sees the nasty result.

 

Gordy

 

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