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    Walter....
     
    I was able to retrieve Jim Valle's questions along with Bill Toone's answers and am forwarding same to you.  I suspect your answers would be different as were Jim Penrod's.  Obviously, the questions are in blue type.
     
    Gordy 

     


    From: Bill Toone [mailto:btoone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:14 AM
    To: 'Gordon Hill'
    Subject: Fly lines for different casts

     

    My answers to the questions posted by Jim.  Be gentle…

    Regards,

    Bill Toone

     

    a.       New Casters line …short head… 30’ caster trying to throw a distance cast of 80’ by aerializing and false casting 50’ of line… cast falls apart …Why?

    New Caster/Beginner Fly lines typically have a shorter head and front/rear tapers than your more typical fly lines.  Although this configuration allows for beginning casters to compensate for their lack of mechanics it is not a line conducive to much distance.  The shorter head (SA Headstart fly line is 35’) and long running line allows for only a relatively short amount of line to be carried beyond the rod tip.  This in turn does not allow for the beginner caster with his limited ability to aerialize enough line with sufficient energy transfer to cast adequately at the above distance.  

    b.       New Casters line … 30’ head … How would you teach a student to throw the entire 90’ line

          My first choice would be for the student to have a fly line up for the task.  Casting such a short headed fly line 90’ is going to be a difficult task, especially for a beginner.  However if that is not an option then I would do the following;

    1.       Teach & practice until the student is competent in the 5 essentials

    2.       Use of short leader to compensate for low energy transfer at distance with the short headed line

    3.       Teach and practice shooting line until the student is competent to shooting 50% of what he or she can carry in the air

    4.       Teach and practice carrying 60’ of line (50% shoot rule of thumb) in the air

    a.       At some point the double haul with need to be introduced to the student with the necessary competency needing to be obtained for this skill as well

                                                                                                                   i.      Yes, I know somebody out there can throw this without a double haul but why would you beat your student up like that?

    5.       Put 1, 2 & 3 together.  Tweak from there. 

    a.       With the inefficient design of the short headed line the caster is going to need to develop extremely high line speed (i.e. power) to achieve the assigned task.  All efforts above are working towards this goal.

    c.       Distance line … 60’ head … How would you teach the student to throw the entire 100’ line

          Same as above although the 60’ head will allow this to be done much easier and a longer leader should be used.  However amount of line aerialized by student will need to be greater than in above answer B.  Without going into a full lesson plan on distance casting in the answer, teaching distance has the same set of skill requirements needed regardless of equipment (although proper equipment allows this to be achieved easier with the subsequent adjustments to stroke, arc, power, etc., over those used for less efficient equipment).  Using the more properly designed line for distance casting, the caster will not have to create as much line speed to achieve the desired result as would be necessary with the shorter head design in question B above. 

    d.       New Casters Line … 30’ head… How would you teach the student to make a 55’ distance roll cast

    1.       Ensure competency in the 5 Essentials

    2.       Ensure competency in the proper roll cast mechanics

    3.       High line speed will need to be developed in the roll cast in order to cast the short headed line

    a.       Student will need to develop maximum power with proper application during execution of  roll cast

    b.       Other skills needing to be developed

                                                                                                                   i.      Student will need to develop skill of shooting line in the roll cast

                                                                                                                 ii.      Student will need to develop single haul skill applied in the roll cast

    4.       All of the above efforts are working towards developing the higher line speed necessary to roll cast this inefficient designed line for the distance task assigned

    a.       Ensure adjustments are made to casting stroke, casting arc, application of power, etc., for the necessary line speed (power) needing to be generated.

    b.       Use of shorter leader to offset low energy transfer of short head at distance

    e.       Distance line … 60’ head… How would you teach the student to make a 55’ distance roll cast

    1.       Numbers 1 & 2 above

    2.       Although line speed is still important, with the more efficient line design for distance being used steps taken in #3 above will not be needed.  With the 60’ head there will be enough mass to keep turning over the line during the roll cast to achieve the 55’ distance assigned.  This is of course with the use of proper mechanics by the student.

    f.         Short head …. Hauls

    1.       As with all of the above answers the student must be competent in the 5 Essentials first and foremost.

    2.       Use of short leader to offset low energy transfer of short head

    3.       After competency in the students casting mechanics the student can then be taught to haul the line

    a.       Use of typical haul teaching drills and skill development techniques

    4.       The short headed line will require high line speed to help keep the line aerialized so skills will need to be tweaked such as longer, sharper hauls and stroke length to achieve the higher line speeds need to keep the short headed line aerialized at a typical 40 – 50’ distance.

    g.       Long Head ….Hauls

    1.       Same as with short head answers above but with the longer head not as much line speed will need to be developed to aerialize the line at a typical 40 – 50’ distance.  Should use longer leader than with short head

    a.       Shorter haul will be required with proportionally shorter stroke

    h.       NOW>>> Student shows up with a WF 30’ head line (7wt) and a rod he built himself… Rod is extremely stiff !!!  Fast tip recovery, and will not load beyond two feet below the tip with this line !… 8’0”  Student is preparing to take the CI performance test very soon! How would you instruct this student to: (assume student can not afford new equipment of any kind and he intends to use this equipment as his demonstration equipment once he is certified)

    a.       Make a distance cast?

    Emphasis on developing lots of line speed; long powerful casting stroke with sharp hauls.  Use minimum leader/tippet allowed for test (7 ½’) so to help compensate for low energy transfer with the short headed fly line at distance

    b.       Make a short roll cast?

    Normal roll cast mechanics but with a bit more power

    c.       Make a Long roll cast?

    Normal roll cast mechanics but with a lot more power.  Possibly have he/she include a haul in the roll cast. Use of shorter leader to assist in turnover due to low energy transfer of the short head at distance

    d.       Demonstrate Hauls?

    Keep line distance to the minimum side allowed for the CCI exam.  Hauls and stroke will need to be such to generate high line speeds necessary to keep the short headed line in the air.

    e.       Adjust his demonstration techniques for teaching … if any adjustments are necessary?

    With the equipment set up not being very good for much if any distance, he/she should keep the teaching demonstrations to shorter distances of 30 -35’ which are more appropriate for the rod – line combination being used.  Although some explain and demonstrate by the instructor is necessary I would keep it to a minimum in this case with more emphasis on visual analogies (paint on a paint brush, lifting a cup from the table, etc.) and other teaching methods such as pantomiming and hand on hand methods to be used.

     

     

     

     

     

     


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