Walter & Group........
Group Coffee Meeting at Livingston :-
From Molly Semenik :
Please announce it to the group. Thursday, August 2nd at 6:00 a.m.
MT cup coffee house on main street in the Park Place building across from the
Northern Pacific Beanery.
Molly
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Answers to the question of when to release the Haul in relation to what is happening on the rod hand side:-
From Bruce Richards:
Gordy,
We haven't studied the haul release, but I think we know enough
about how
all this works to now to say fairly conclusively what it should
be.
If the line is released before RSP I think it is obvious this would
reduce
the effectiveness of the cast. If the line is released after RSP we
are, in
essence, pulling on the bottom leg which we know will speed the top
leg
forcing an earlier turnover, this will shorten the cast. Of course, if
the
cast was underpowered this might be a good thing, but if the power
was
right for the length of line, an earlier turnover will still shorten
the
cast.
I think most of us intuitively know that the release should
happen right at
RSP for best results, and everything I know about the physics
of casting
supports that. Not scientific proof, but certainly what makes the
most
sense, and also what we do in practice. The haul analyzer did clearly
show
that my haul stops at RSP on a moderate distance cast, and I assume
we'd
see the same on a long cast.
Bruce
Scientific
Anglers/3M
4100 James Savage Rd.
Midland, MI 48642
USA
Tel: 989-496-1113
Fax: 989-496-3374
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From Jeff Wagner:
Gordy,
I am in Gardiner Montana working on Westslope Cutthroat trout
relocation with the National Park service. Hot and a few fires in the
area, but overall a great place.
Anyway, I noticed your question about release of the haul. I believe
that most great casters release after RSP and into counterflex. I
have some video that I think shows this. Theoretically it may not be
the most efficient place to release. However, in the real world of
slack and imperfect loops this appears to allow for more tension to be
kept in the line and less slack and a more efficient shoot. In some
instances it may even go past counterflex back to RSP but this appears
to be less effecient because of the timing.
It also appears to me that the haul continues past the stop of the
hand as the tip continues to travel, increasing line speed. However,
for teaching purposes (much like teaching the stop as a stop instead
of a rapid deceleration) I still teach that the haul hand mimics the
rod hand as it appears that only very experienced casters show this
characteristic.
Just a few thoughts to stir the pot!
--
Jeff Wagner
Master Certified Fly Casting Instructor, Federation of Fly Fishers
Fly Fishing Buyer, Jax Outdoor Gear
Fly Fishing Guide, Jax Outdoor Gear
Redington Pro Staff
970-481-5887
jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From Troy Miller:-
IMO, if you wait UNTIL the unloading phase to begin your haul, you will cause massive aberrations in RTP right as you’re ready to create your loop. I don’t want to deflect the tip an any “difficult to control” manner anytime from the start of the stroke until the loop has escaped. Maybe this is just me, but loop shape/character is much more important to distance than maybe a 5 fps increase in muzzle velocity. Smooth acceleration to stop is right for me – both on my rod hand and on my haul hand.
Don’t surprise ANYTHING in the system until the stop.
I’ve been teaching that for 20+ years, exactly those words. Maybe I should register that as my own profound statement… J
Regards -- TAM
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