Walter & Group........
From Jeff Barefoot:-
Sorry for the quickie but it’s not as important as when the haul starts,
but it is very important when the haul ends.
Jeff Barefoot
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From Troy Miller:-
I think it depends mainly on the character of the rod and how much relative load you’re working with. When and how aggressively you haul a 9’ TCR 5-wt when casting 50 feet will be significantly different from when and how aggressively you’d haul with a 9’ Grainger 5-wt, casting the same distance.50 feet of flyline is a very modest load on a TCR, whereas it’s a very healthy load on the bamboo. The key, as mentioned a couple times already, it to use a haul that both increases line speed to the desired level, without compromising loop shape by impairing SLP.
I can’t believe that nobody has mentioned the Loop article that Mel gave us about 5 or 6 years ago about “when to haul”. See http://www.fedflyfishers.org/Loop/PDF/WIN01.PDF if you’d like to review. His conclusion is that there are benefits from start to finish of a casting stroke. Begin early and end late – hands follow the same cadence and build in intensity/acceleration similarly. Now, this discussion pertains to HOW WE TEACH. We all know that we advise our students how to establish proper foundation techniques. Highly specialized or modified techniques which may be used to go beyond our everyday casting needs are usually best left to one-on-one mentoring and trial and error by the individual.
JMHO
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WE HAVE SEEN MANY OPINIONS ON WHEN TO START THE HAUL. THESE INCLUDE BOTH SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES.
AS I TRY TO DISTILL ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS INTO THE BREW, I THINK WE CAN SAY THAT THERE IS NO PERFECT, "WRITTEN IN STONE ON THE MOUNT" PLACE WHERE ALL HAULS MUST START.
OPINIONS PRESENTED MAKE IT CLEAR TO ME THAT START OFTHE HAUL IS :-
1. SITUATION DEPENDENT.
2. TACKLE DEPENDENT.
3. DEPENDENT UPON THE DISTANCE OF THE CAST.
4. DEPENDENT UPON ROD LOAD.
5. DEPENDENT UPON THE DESIRED RESULT OF THE LAYOUT.
6. PARTLY DEPENDENT UPON THE STYLE OF THE CASTER.
7. NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THE COMPLETION OF THE HAUL.
SEEMS THAT FOR MOST CASTERS MAKING LONG CASTS THAT THE MIRROR IMAGE CONCEPT OF THE LENGTH OF THE HAUL MATCHING THE LENGTH OF TIP TRAVEL (STROKE PLUS ROD ARC) IS VALID. THIS TRANSLATES TO STARTING THE HAUL CLOSE TO THE START OF THE CASTING STROKE AND ENDING IT AT OR JUST AFTER THE ROD STRAIGHT POSITION (RSP).
"SHORT CAST = SHORT HAUL" "LONG CAST = LONG HAUL
FOR VERY SHORT CASTS THE HAUL ITSELF IS UNIMPORTANT UNLESS WE WISH TO COMBINE THAT SHORT CAST WITH HIGH LOOP SPEED AS, FOR EXAMPLE, MAKING A SHORT CAST QUICKLY USING A HORIZONTAL ROD PLANE CLOSE TO THE WATER TO FLIP A FLY BENEATH A LOW HANGING BRANCH.
I HAVE ALSO PLACED THIS QUESTION IN THE HANDS OF BOTH BRUCE RICHARDS AND STEVE RAJEFF. IN TIME WE'LL ALSO HAVE THEIR INPUT.
GORDY
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Hi
Gordy,
The rule of elevens is
accurate and useful.
There is another rule
that evolved many years ago and which as stood the test of time. That is the 2/3
rule for leader design. Lots of leaders are perhaps made over complicated; in
the days of gut three sections was enough for most purposes. Of course things
have changed since then, materials are different and fly fishing is now more
versatile but I still use the old 2/3 rule which simply states that as you step
down from the butt section of leader and for each subsequent step down of
diameter of the thinner material (assuming that similar materials are used)
should be at least 2/3 of the diameter of the section it is attached to. I think
that most modern leader formulae comply with the rule without realising that.
It’s a h
The “Rule of 4 (or 3)”
is also very useful guidance for beginners.
I don’t broadcast any
of the other examples because they are unreliable.
Best wishes,
Ally
Gowans