Walter & Group.....
Regards
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TAM
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Troy....
I've thought a lot
about this and some of us have discussed it at length.
I think the problem
lies in the use of the word, RECOVERY.
Recovery, as I see it,
can be used to mean the straightening of a bent rod. Some use it to mean
the interval between maximum rod bend and RSP (rod straight position). I
think we can agree that the haul should continue through that phase. To haul,
"just" during that phase works OK, but is not as efficient as performing the
haul as a mirror image of the casting stroke. Lefty used to teach to make
a very brief haul during this period, but has recently changed and no longer
does this. While it does work, it is more difficult for a student to get
that brief snap of a haul at just the right place, for one
thing.
Problem comes when we
use the term to mean the tendency for the rod to straighten after
counterflex. Less confusion, I think, if we use the word, REBOUND to
describe this.
While most are of the
opinion that the haul can be continued for a very short period of time after RSP
at the start of counterflex, that doesn't mean it should be maintained all the
way into rebound. To do so would be counterproductive because it would
mean pulling back on a loop which has already formed and is on its way to the
target. Certainly NOT a good idea to haul only during this phase
!
Therefore,
I'd agree with you that we should not be teaching that the haul should
be made during or only during recovery, since this would be
confusing.
Gordy
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From Capt Kirk Eberhard:
Gordy,
A person casts a two handed rod with a
matching Windcutter line (About a 54 foot head).
A tighter loop is possible with a bit of overhand as opposed to having a
portion of the head in the top rings. I suppose the latter causes more counter
flex. Can a similar situation exist with your single hand rod/line
experiments?
Kirk
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Kirk....
You are a much better two handed caster than I'll ever be, so I had
detailed discussion with Rick Whorwood, who happens to be casting with me,
today. Here is what we came up with :
Firstly, we think you mean to use the word OVERHANG, not, "overhand"
..
With single handed casting as with two handed casting I can usually get a
tight loop more easily when I carry enough line so that there is a short segment
of overhang out of the rod tip when distance casting. When, "tip casting"
with a lot less line out of the rod tip, however, I have no trouble forming a
tight loop .... so I guess it is situation dependent.
It may be that having heavier head in the rod guides results in increased
counterflex, especially when applying more power for greater distance, but
I'm not certain about that.
Now we can get into a discussion of just what OVERHANG is.
Simplistically, it can be seen as the length of thin running line between the
rod tip and the rear of the head. That's easy. Problem comes when
there is a long back taper. We might argue, for example, that there is no
real overhang if we consider that leaving some of the back taper out of the rod
tip isn't really overhang. Using that line of reasoning, there would be no
possibility of having overhang if we are casting a CRT (continuous rear taper)
line.
For practical purposes, I chose to look at overhang as the distance between
the rod tip and to beginning of the rear taper.
Steve Rajeff has pointed out that overhang is the barometer for the rate of
turnover of the head...... the longer it is, the longer it takes for the loop to
unroll.... the longer it takes to unroll, the longer the cast as long as it can
remain airborne.
The cast falls apart when casters try to carry more overhang than they can
control. For most casters a two or three foot long overhang is all they
can handle. Some can't handle more than that when false
casting, but can achieve longer casts by shooting line on the final back cast
thus increasing overhang on that one cast prior to the delivery. Works
well.
Gordy