MCCI list of Recommended Study / Climbing loop

Walter & Group...

REQUEST:   Our member, Rene Hesse is looking for a copy of Bruce Richards', MODERN FLY LINES.  Let us know if any of you have an extra copy that you would be willing to make available to him:  rjhesse@xxxxxxxxxxxxx  .

Some of the books that are on the list of recommended study for MCCI candidates are no longer in print and hard to find.  I've suggested trying Amazon.com and e-Bay, etc.  Certain catalogs will list copies on occasion, like Adams Angling.

Do any of you have some other suggestions as to where to find copies of some of these books when the authors, themselves have run out of them ?

Gordy

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Addenum by Phil Gay:

Gordy,

 

    Let me clarify the angle of attack issue on the loop.  I left out an important word.  I meant to say that a loop has no angle of attack, whereas a wing does.

 

Phil

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From Guy Manning :

On the climbing loop:

 

I thought Noel Perkins had already addressed this in a paper a few years ago.

 

 

I am not an engineer. But, I don’t believe, in most instances, the loop is climbing much at all as the belly turns over. But I do believe it climbs as the taper turns over due to decreasing mass and the affect of air resistance.  

 

If you think about the classic shape of  a loop its leading edge is near the top. What I used to call an inverted airplane wing shape (If the wing were not inverted the leading edge would be near the bottom). As the loop rolls over the leading edge there would be a certain amount of resistance (drag?) formed between the line and the air column. Since the lower leg is slower or still the line is showing more surface to the air column below the leading edge than above. This causes the leading edge to want to move up and over the resistance the air is placing on it.   

 

Phil’s comments about lift on an airplane wing are based upon the Bernoulli principal. I don’t think that applies in this instance. If I remember correctly from computer classes the Bernoulli principal needs a certain amount of surface for it to work.  It works on plane wings and rotating computer disks but I don’t think it would work on small diameter lines.

 

 

Guy Manning

FFF Master Certified Casting Instructor

Moderator FFFCCI Yahoo Group

www.castflys.net

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Guy...    I don't have an informed answer.  Perhaps you are right.  I'll check with Noel to see if he did study this.

Gordy

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