Long soft rods ....application

Walter & Group....

From David Lambert:

Gordy: The long, soft rod would work well for steelies, eh?

David

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David .... I agree.   I made one up several years ago in order to try for a world record redfish ( red drum ) on IGFA 2 lb. test tipet catagory.  Got a couple of nice fish, but didn't make it.  I did land some large fish which I am certain I'd never have come close to landing using a 12' super-noodle rod and tippet which I tested out at 1lb./ 10oz.   I used a thin wire razor sharp fresh water hook for the fly.   (When you do that, you get the feeling that you are playing the fish 'til he dies of old age before trying to land him.)  Using the same tackle, I did land a record black drum on the flats at Flamingo, Fl.

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From Jim Valle:

Gordy, Liam and Group,

 

Hmmm…. Long, slow, rods? And a 7 wt. and a Wee Dram!

 

If I were Jock Scott I would be greasing a line down a nice run attempting to catch a salmon or steelhead on a large river.

Long rods are a real asset when making Long Line Mends (something we just don’t talk about enough) ..

Softer rods also assist in the mending process by allowing a slow lift and placement without disturbing the fly.

These long mends will allow the fisherman to control the aspect presentation of the fly and the speed of the fly.

Done properly a greased line will almost always set in the corner of a fishes mouth allowing easy release.

 

Roll casts (of course we are assuming this is a one handed rod) are much easier and longer.(subject to the line taper … esp head length)

Single Handed Spey casts would be a very distinct possibility also!

 

There is also the possibility of dapping, and short casts 11’ out form the bank and downstream

But Liam wouldn’t do that!

 

Jim V

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Jim...   In a few days you and I will be casting and fishing with Phil Clough and Rick Whorwood.  Rick tells me that Phil's father invented a special fly reel in England for fishing with super light mono lines on a similar rod.  The idea, as I understand it, is that you don't try to throw a fly line loop at all ;  rather a form of, "pitching the fly".  We'll soon find out more about that form of angling.... a completely new one to me ! 

Gordy

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From Dermon Sox:

Gordy,

 

The long slow action rod would be good for bait fishing with shiners for Largemouth Bass in Florida lakes.  The long soft action would enable you to make a soft lobbing open loop cast without slinging your bait off of the hook.  You could also use it like a cane pole and simply swing your bait out and drop it into holes among the lily pads.

 

Dermon

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Dermon .... True, though not fly fishing.   Light tippets for fly fishing with a long soft rod in Everglades Florida waters, doesn't work well because of the well named SAWGRASS.  That stuff will cut tippets in a heart beat.  In other lakes, it will work well. ........Gordy

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From Michael Jones:

 

ordy:

11' 7 wt. slow action rod consideration:

This rod selection would appeal to me if I were fishing/casting open

roll-cast loops in an average to large river situation with

re-directed (spey) roll casting of a streamer, and using the

streamer-retreive with both a rod-raise and lifting and stripping

action.

Sometimes, an open loop roll cast is just what I want to draw fish out

from under a far bank to chase a meaty streamer fly...presentation is

more of a 'dinner-bell' bang down followed by immediate action from

the fly. 11' can give me some lift/strip advantage, and soft action

can give a lot of wide-loop roll casting advantage, especially with a

long & strong leader...just my thoughts with a streamer. If the fish

strikes and misses, you can power a quick follow-up roll cast right

back in and keep the action going.

This same set-up may also be good for working from a float tube/canoe

with a dry fly to present a meaty popper or foam terrestrial from a

low casting position. In Chile, we often fish lagunas (lagoons/high

mountain lagoons) along a weed/tulie line that protects big

terrestrial feeding browns/rainbows. Again, a 'dinner-bell'

presentation is good, and a longer rod in 7 wt. could certainly

deliver the large (beetle-dragon fly) product to a distance to

disguise your presence.

Otherwise, long rods always mend line better in river situations, so

maybe this would be a great Atlantic Salmon 'bomber' rod...soft to

handle the delayed hook-set (God save the Queen), protect the leader,

mend like a crane, and save the shoulder and elbow for all-day

casting. One of my favorite rods was one I bought at a flee market

for $15: an Orvis 10.5' 5wt float tube rod mid-soft flex...mend,

mend, mend, and a giant open loop roll cast for big flies, again with

long & strong leaders for good turn-over. You can steeple cast to a

fish a mile below you, just throw it high and feed line by shaking the

line out of the big stick.

Negative: Difficult to net/tail a big fish with such a long 'pole'!

Michael Jones

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>Michael ...     Good description.                 Gordy

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>From Mac Brown  (On Acceleration, and then the use of the long, soft rod.) :-

Gordy,

Glad your back. I had a few comments on Dermon's post on accelerating acceleration.

The definition of acceleration is:

 

Acceleration is a vector quantity which is defined as "the rate at which an object changes its velocity." An object is accelerating if it is changing its velocity.

You can google up many defintions and they all will be similar.

 

The vector must have a magnitude and direction. Even in elliptical casting the accelation is graphed as a slope (always a straight line). The little physics that I learned came about in the mid 90's as a must for working on my text. I was very fortunate to have a great teacher in Dr. Liming from WCU. I had to include some of these basic foundations in my text because I felt like too many folks were making up mantras, rules, whatever you like to call them that did not fit in the real 3D world of my fly casting.

 

Dermon, since the velocity of the tip is changing during the stroke we say that it is accelerating. Noel Perkins and Bruce I think are using the term constant acceleration from a scientific background of Newtonian principles. The slight curve may be with the equipment, lag time, etc... need Noel or Bruce to answer that one. We use the term constant for the symbolism of the slope of acceleration as if it was on the graph. If you google the term accelerating acceleration you get mostly marketing hype with little science or math to back it up. I think of it that way as well because it seems a bit redundant. We would need a whole new set of mathematical equations to implement this new term I should think. To keep it simple, I think an object is either deccelerating, accelerating, or at rest.

 

Hope this helps some Dermon. I agree with you that the tip is moving much faster toward the end-but I think the graph of constant acceleration can explain that as well because whatever position for velocity on the graph will show that increase. This is what I seem to remember from my dealings with Dr. Liming, I must warn you that it is more than just a little rusty at this point. Maybe we will get lucky and have a physics teacher among the group to explain it to us all-oops-Dermon you may be one???  When we mix what we think of as a term  (I really like the term accelerating acceleration) to what these physics guys and gals use every day it can be dangerous. Have a good night. mac

 

Gordy, I think I would like the long rod for skating, dry fly or using wets for most of the bigger beast of the Salmonids (it could be for any kind of fish that wants to eat my fly). I may even use more roll casts for the day to take advantage of the long length and limber action. Like the Paul Brown rods of years gone by. Mac 

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Mac ..........

According to the physicists with whom I've spoken about this,  as a vector quantity, acceleration is unidirectional.  One interesting side feature of this is that they have informed me that with rotation, such as that of an airplane propeller, even when it is turning at a constant speed, the fact that as you constantly change direction means that you are accelerating !

 

I tried one of those Paul Brown rods of yore years ago on king salmon in Alaska ... using very light tippets.  With those tippets, I couldn't overcome the flow of the river when the critter boomed downstream and then stopped.  At that time, I was not aware of the trick of throwing slack to create a belly of line which can sometimes turn the salmon around to (hopefully) run back upstream.

 

Gordy

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