Two handed casting question

Walter & Group..........

Rick Whorwoods answer to Dermon's question on two handed casting :

Hi Gordy

I've read this over, "I agree with what you wrote about over hang, the more you can carry the more distance you can achieve ." It's also important to maintain the lower leg, so it doesn't over power the top leg when dealing with a thin running/shooting line, often the reason to place some of the running/shooting line in the water.

As for Scandinavian heads they come in many different lengths, a true Scandinavian Spey caster will custom cut his/her line to suit different depths for the rivers he/she wades, this is in relationship to the Anchor and "D" Loop, Check RIO's Scandinavian line lengths, I'm sure this is what Simon would be using as his bench mark.

The point of length vs. grain wt. read the article on my site about Skagit, Tim explains the reason for compressing the line (not the grain wt.) for this style, the point being that a rod needs a certain grain wt to load effectively regardless, but load and distance are different (think about this).

The best casters in the world have the ability to carry the most line. If you have a longer head, and you can handle it ! you can achieve great distance, in single hand terms look at the Steelhead tapers, long belly lines for distance. (application of power over tip travel = distance)

There are a number of factors, when trying to answer this type of question, the main one being "what Simon was trying to explain" In Spey there has been lots of confusion, I believe it is made more complicated then it need be.

Please read this over, and give me your thoughts.

 

Rick

 

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Comment:   Rick and I , then, discussed this at length over the phone.  Lots of more info.  He invited Dermon (or any of you )  to call him for a detailed discussion .... too lengthy to cover in a simple e-note.

 

Rick can be reached at:  (905) 662-8999  (Stoney Creek, Ontario, Can.)

 

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From Michael Jones:

 

Gordy:

Please define 'overhang' as it is used in this context. Thank you!

Michael Jones

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Michael: 

 OVERHANG is the term used to describe the length of thin running line between the back of the fly line head and the rod tip.

This can be hard to measure if there is a long rear taper because of difficulty in determining exactly the point where the head ends and the rear taper begins.  For this question, however, we can assume that there is no real rear taper making the rear end of the head easy to define.

To take the quandry to extreme, we might have a CRT line (Continuous Rear Taper).  In this instance, there is no real running line because that rear taper goes gradually all the way from the back of the head to the rear end of the entire line.

It takes a very good caster, indeed, to efficiently handle great amounts of OVERHANG.  In teaching, I prefer to have an intermediate level caster try to handle very little of it.... say only a few feet.  Handling more of it, requires very good timing, the ability to generate high loop speed, and a close to perfect SLP (straight line path of the rod tip.).

Gordy