Re: What do you feel or sense at the end of the casting stroke?

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From: WALTER/SUE SIMBIRSKI <simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, April 6, 2006 10:15 am
Subject: Re: What do you feel or sense at the end of the casting stroke?

> Server - Now that I've been educated/convinced that this is a real
> affect and have had a chance to think about it I just wanted to
> run a couple of thoughts by you.
> 
> The amount of kickback is dependent on rod stiffness and the opposite
> of what we would call smoothness, i.e. the stiffer the rod the less
> the kickback, and the smoother the casting motion the less the 
> kickback.
> 
> Loading a rod effectively makes it stiffer, i.e. the more you bend
> it the more force is required to bend it farther, so a loaded rod
> will kick back less. In a smooth, "basic" cast the caster goes through
> a loading move with a smooth translation to the power snap so the
> kickback doesn't occur or isn't an issue.
> 
> If the rod isn't loaded at the start of the power snap then kickback
> can occur. There would be two manifestations on the line when this 
> happens - the first, and most common, is a concave path of the rod
> tip resulting in a tailing loop. This would happen whenever the 
> castingstroke is too short such as when creep has entered the 
> system and the
> caster has the option of a power snap without a loading move or 
> runningout of arm before achieving full acceleration.
> 
> The second would be when the caster does make a full casting stroke
> but the loading move fails to load the rod fully due to slack in 
> the line.
> This results in shock waves in the rod leg of the line because the 
> rod tip
> path is more complicated than just a simple concave path. In this case
> the rod tip kicks back and would then accelerates faster than expected
> because the full momentum in the line is not there to hold it 
> back. When the
> line was jerked tight the rod would actually rebound in mid 
> casting stroke
> and then rebound again at the end of the stroke. Exactly the same tip
> movement as when a wiggle cast is performed but applied during the
> cast rather than as a mend. We would see this happen whenever the
> caster pauses too long at the end of the casting stroke allowing the
> line to sag, i.e. generate slack. This casting fault is described
> in "Troubleshooting the Cast" by Jaworowski but he doesn't have the
> complete description of the rod action in this case (i.e. the kickback
> isn't part of the analysis). Because of this most people expect to
> see a tailing loop in this case rather than shock waves.
> 
> Does this make sense?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Walter
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ssadik1@xxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2006 8:16 pm
> Subject: Re: What do you feel or sense at the end of the casting 
> stroke?
> > Do it with an unstrung rod and if that's all you're seeing snap 
> a 
> > little 
> > harder with your wrist. Same type of motion you would use when 
> > making your a real 
> > cast except you have to start from rest (no creeping forward). A 
> > couple of 
> > feet isn't to much too ask for with this move -- just be sure 
> you 
> > are achieving 
> > some significant rod deflections in the process of the wrist snap.
> > 
>