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Terms like, Translation and Push / Pull
- Subject: Terms like, Translation and Push / Pull
- Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:09:25 -0400
Walter & Group
Server...
I use the term, "translation" all the time.....but never with students,
because they don't understand it....so for most teaching, it is NOT a good term
even though I must agree it makes sense from a physics standpoint.
The terms, "push" and "pull" with regard to casting, DO get in to students'
brains well enough that we can see the teaching results. Simply put, this
are teaching words....not those of physics. Since we are casting
TEACHERS, we use what we see works well.
Gordy
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Tom, Gordy and Group,
This is one of the better comments I have heard. I have heard
reference to "pull" versus "push" and none of it has made much sense -- what in
the world could the difference be (?). I have been trying to come up with
an explanation of why this terminology might be favored by its proponents.
I guess I see a possible explanation now. First of all let me say that in
explaining casting physics to fly casters interested in a somewhat greater depth
of understanding I discuss casting in terms of three dominant phases (when all
things and all performance enhancing approaches are considered you can
add more minor phases). These are preload, dominant (spelled
"wrist") rod loading, and rod unloading during continued wrist rotation and
hand translation. Other things happen but these are the biggies. The
preload phase is one where you seek to get some load in the rod before using the
real ammunition (other things liking removing slack, ... can also be
accomplished in phase 1 but you want to grade yourself by how much rod load
exists at the end of phase 1). Phase 1 is highlighted (!!) by the
fact that you mustn't use any wrist rotation. This is guess is where the
push -- pull terminology can come in. At least that's what Gordy's comment
sounds like. It is a very confusing terminology and doesn't speak to any
cause-effect let along the correct cause-effect. In the lexicon of
'push-pull", pull can mean performing phase 1 with shoulder and arm rotations
and hand translation. Why someone would call this "pull" I don't know,
although if I were going to pull something I wouldn't be trying to use my wrist
to do it (however the same thing is true with "pushing", pretty much). You
won't find me using this terminology because its such a stretch to give it
context. It would be better to say what you mean -- don't rotate your
wrist until the right time -- that is at the end of phase 1. (Gordy - consider
using the term "translation" rather than "linear" in describing hand kinematics.
Translation means movement without rotation and linear means straight. In
the mathematical development of rigid body kinematics, general motion is
decomposed into translation plus rotation. You can translate without
moving in a straight-line which I do in some demonstration casting.)
So my clear message is do not rotate your wrist until its appropriate
to do so. Try to maximize the rod loading at the end of phase 1.
(Not at the beginning of phase 1, but at the end of phase 1.) This provides
you with two big benefits. First with enough preload it will not be
possible to "kick-back" the rod tip when the wrist motion is initiated. (Recall
the I stated in an earlier line of messages that rod kickback is the biggest
problem facing experienced casters. Now you may have some first hand experience
observing it.) Second it provides the caster the opportunity to generate
the largest transfer of energy to the rod-line system. The energy
transferred during phases 2 and 3 is dominated by the integral (calculus speak
-- you can think of multiplying two number together) of wrist torque and total
rotation occurring during this time frame. By starting the torque at a
number significantly above zero the integral (product) of torque and angle can
be significantly increased which is your goal. In phase 3 where the torque
and rod loading loading decrease (while the rod tip is continually
increasing its speed) the energy//work are also increased.
So as far as terminology is concerned I would recommend avoiding the
"push-pull" lexicon and get to the heart of the matter.
As always- regards and tight lines,
Server