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    Ron's  answers to my questions.
     So How would you or what would you change on the Casting Mechanics?
    One other Question to ask your students is what time of year would they be fishing? What changes would this bring on Lake Fork?
     Do you think that a 6 wt would cast a bass bug? In the hands of a smaller frame person?
    ol Al
     

    Allen Crise FFF Master Casting Instructor
    FFF-SOC VP of Education
    FWFF Education Chairman
    GCC Casting Chairman

    Hawk Ridge Flycasting School
    2508 A County Road 1011
    Glen Rose, TX 76043
    Ranch 254-897-2045
     Cell 254-396-1574
    geocities.com/rrdoctor
    flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ron Allen Thomas [mailto:koolfly1@xxxxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:05 AM
    To: 'Allen Crise'
    Subject: RE: Monday 9/18 questions

    Al,

     

    Why I did not put fast action rods, due to the experience level of the caster.  I did not want to assume anything here.  Fast action rods in the hands of a novice could be frustrating.  They must understand how fast these rods recover when casting a bass bug taper fly line or any line, for that matter.  I would have to teach them how to open the loop when casting, which is what your question is asking.

     

    Yes, using a bass tapered line changes your casting mechanics…Lines with short front heads turnover very quickly, that coupled with a tight loop could be disastrous.

     

    Ladies outfit that I would carry on my boat would be one to two sizes smaller in rod weight, considering and 8wt. is used.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Ron Allen Thomas

    VP of Education, FFF Gulf Coast Council

    FFF Certified Casting Instructor

    Ron@xxxxxxxxxxx

    1715 21st Street

    Lake Charles, Louisiana 70601

    Phone: 337.802.1922

     

     


    From: Allen Crise [mailto:flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:48 AM
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    Subject: FW: Monday 9/18 questions

     

    This from Ron,

    My comments in RED

    ol Al

    Allen Crise FFF Master Casting Instructor
    FFF-SOC VP of Education
    FWFF Education Chairman
    GCC Casting Chairman

    Hawk Ridge Flycasting School
    2508 A County Road 1011
    Glen Rose, TX 76043
    Ranch 254-897-2045
     Cell 254-396-1574
    geocities.com/rrdoctor
    flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ron Allen Thomas [mailto:koolfly1@xxxxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:53 AM
    To: 'Allen Crise'
    Subject: RE: Monday 9/18 questions

    Hey Al,

     

    In response to your question concerning a lesson on Bass fishing…If I were to guide them I would cover:

      Not just a guide but as an instructor that they came to for a better trip outcome.

    Equipment

                Rod – Medium to Medium Fast Action Rod.   Why not fast action rods? 

                Line – Bass Bug Taper ( Line with a short front taper for rapid turnover of big flies).  Nice this was covered Does this change your casting mechanics?

                Leader – Shorter leaders from 6’ to 8’, works well with Bass Bug Taper lines in turnover of large flies.

                Tippet – I would start with 16lb test tippet or higher.  Remember, we are not fishing for Trout, but Bass.   You may have to steer them away from cover.  Good point to cover. 

    Casts

                Wide Loop Casts – When casting larger flies,

                Curve Casts – When fishing around cover or obstructions.

                Casting with the wind: Behind you, In front of you, Your lee side, and Casting Arm side.

    Playing and Landing Fish

                Strip Striking – Bass are aggressive fish with tough mouths.

                Play the fish - The fish should be fought from the butt of the rod.

                Landing the Fish – I have a different opinion about this….Some Bass fly fishing guides say that you should lip the bass, but I prefer to use a net instead.   As you know I do include this part as of the lesson. I want the student to know what to do after the fish eats the fly...

     

    Any allowance for the bigger outfits for the ladies?

    What distances will you work on and is Accuracy and "trick" cast or line mending need to be worked on?

     

     

    Ron Allen Thomas

    VP of Education, FFF Gulf Coast Council

    FFF Certified Casting Instructor

    Ron@xxxxxxxxxxx

    1715 21st Street

    Lake Charles, Louisiana 70601

    Phone: 337.802.1922

     

     


    From: Allen Crise [mailto:flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx]
    Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:27 PM
    To: flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx; sobbobfish@xxxxxxx; Robert Tabbert; CAPTPERMIT@xxxxxxx; creangler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; dan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; daver@xxxxxxxxxx; Dennis Grant; dsprague01@xxxxxxxxxxx; Floyd Franke; Gary Wood; JEFFERY BAREFOOT; bradyir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; John Wilson; ken.cole@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; captkirk1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; glbaggett@xxxxxxxxx; mkreider1@xxxxxxx; niallogan@xxxxxxxxxx; pminnick@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; flycast@xxxxxxxxx; richard whorwood; flycasts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; sheila@xxxxxxxxxx; scjacobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx; cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; tharper@xxxxxxxxxxx; sportfisher@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; mildbill@xxxxxxxxxx; Bob Rumpf - The Flye & The Pen; Brydnlnims@xxxxxxxxxxx; cezannealexander@xxxxxxxxxxx; crazycharlie@xxxxxxx; croberts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; blacksalmon@xxxxxxxxxxx; David Lambert; Dermon Sox; gladesflybum@xxxxxxxxx; gavin@xxxxxxxxxxx; Gordy Hill; iverson@xxxxxxxxx; 'Jerry Simons'; Jerry Puckett; captsilverking@xxxxxxx; John Till; kathleen Wagner; thedamselfly@xxxxxxxxxxx; plami@xxxxxxxxxxx; trotabot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; kerrrc@xxxxxxxxx; troy.miller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; simbirsw@xxxxxxx; bobbeanblossomFFF@xxxxxxxxxxx; hillcathy@xxxxxxx; dnewpher@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Dave Hutchinson; donjack@xxxxxxxxxxx; douglas.swift@xxxxxxxxxxxx; erniemaynard@xxxxxxxxxxx; flyfsfrank@xxxxxxx; gregrahe@xxxxxxxxxxx; Harvey Harris; jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Jhara Carter; harveyjl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; penrodtwin@xxxxxxxxxxx; skifishvail@xxxxxxxx; Jim Vale; Mac Brown; Michael Gallart; captflyrod@xxxxxxx; mollysemenik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Paul Arden; rjhesse@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; fraudflies@xxxxxxx; Ssadik1@xxxxxxx; shane@xxxxxxxxx; snowmonkey29@xxxxxxx; wk_eps@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Gary Eaton; Gary Kell; ianmuirhead@xxxxxxx; maxlinespeed@xxxxxxxxxxx; flyfishcaneyfork@xxxxxxxxx; flyrod@xxxxxxxxxxxx; koolfly1@xxxxxxxxxxx; stevehollensed@xxxxxxxxxx; tburt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Monday 9/18 questions

     

    Howdy Gang.

     Here it is Monday and Gordy is somewhere on the northeast coast looking across at the rising sun. He will be making some cast from the beach or wading out almost too deep. He is looking for busting bait or flashes of silver.  Good luck Gordy,we are waiting for reports.

      The master is to know about many different areas of fishing and should be some what knowledgeable. Tom White uses the X fish. Where to go and how to find out what and area offers. Here is the problem:

      You are to have some students that are heading to North Texas to fish for the Famous Texas Largemouth Bass. They said that they were to fish with a guide on Lake Fork. They wanted to "brush up" on casting for this area.

      What are you going to cover in your 4 hour lesson for two men and their wives?

     

    Have a great week

    Oh you will have to use my E mail address till Gordy returns.

     

    ol Al

    Allen Crise FFF Master Casting Instructor
    FFF-SOC VP of Education
    FWFF Education Chairman
    GCC Casting Chairman

    Hawk Ridge Flycasting School
    2508 A County Road 1011
    Glen Rose, TX 76043
    Ranch 254-897-2045
     Cell 254-396-1574
    geocities.com/rrdoctor
    flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx