Re: RE: text

Walter...

Way beyond my computer understanding. The way I looked at it is that something nasty happened to the message as it passed through the big computer in the sky.

What the heck is HTML, anyway ?......I thought it might mean,"HOTMAIL". I have been working in MSN HOTMAIL.

Gordy

From: WALTER/SUE SIMBIRSKI <simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
To: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: RE: text
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:30:18 -0600
Gordy - Tom's answer got converted to HTML in the forwarding. I've saved the
message as an HTML file and a text file and attached them. The HTML file will
open in your web browser and will have all of the correct formatting and
colors, etc. The text only file will remove all of the html gobbledygook but
will lose the format (colors, etc.). Hope this helps to get the thread
going again.

Cheers!

Walter

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<< foo.txt >>

From: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
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Subject: RE: text
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:40:01 -0400

Tom...

Wow....almost impossible to wade through that. Sometimes that happens when I or somebody else tries to forward a message.

Now I wonder how many of the Group got a computer garbled message like that !

This may have happened with a double forward.....me forwarding a message to Jerry Puckett who secondarily forwarded it to the Group. (????????)

Gordy

Gordy

From: "TOM BELL" <snowmonkey29@xxxxxxx>
To: "Gordy Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: text
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:03:01 -0600

Gordy This is what I get. Very hard to read.

My question Is it you or me?

Thanks for all the great info.

I spent a day with Jon Hazlett FFF CFI from Medford Oregon. Great day with the SPEY rod lots of fun.

Thanks again fior all the info you send our way.

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Subject: Re: Fly Casting, "Math"
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:02:05 -0400
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Check out my additional notes below our answers to # 9.) in green. (Scroll way down for details.)
                                                         Gordy 
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From: "Gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx> To: cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Fly Casting, "Math" Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:28:23 -0400 
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Tom...
My comments in BOLD CAPS.
You did really well !!!!    
                                                 Gordy 
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From: "North Fork Flies - Tom Cooper" <cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: "North Fork Flies - Tom Cooper" <cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Fly Casting, "Math" Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 03:16:12 -0400 
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:14 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Fly Casting, "Math"</DIV>
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Jerry...
My server may have prevented some of the Group from getting my questions on, "Fly Casting Math."  Would you help by sending this out ?  Of these 9 questions, I'd expect an MCI candidate to correctly answer 6 of them (*)  An exceptional candidate to be correct on 8.
1.)* You are given the speed of the fly leg of a loop for a cast with no shooting of line. What is the formula for calculating the loop speed?
 Loop speed is 1/2 of the fly leg speed.
YES.
2.) Now you have a cast made with a line shoot.  You know the speed of the fly leg and the speed of the rod leg.  What formula is used for determining loop speed ?
Loop speed is 1/2 of the fly leg speed + the rod leg speed
IT'S:  FLY LEG SPEED + ROD LEG SPEED DIVIDED BY 2.
3.)* You are casting a fly tied on a # 12 hook.  What formula or, "rule" might you sue to help determine the approximate, "X" size for your class tippet ? 
Rule of 3's. Divide fly size by 3 (or 4) or a 4X tippet
YES.
4.)* What formula or, "rule" would you use for determining the diameter of your 5X tippet ?
Subtract 5, The X size, from 011 (the diameter of 0X tippet) or 006.
YES. (ANOTHER WAY TO PUT IT IS TO SUBTRACT THE X NUMBER FROM 11 AND DIVIDE BY 1000.)
5.)* You know your tippet size to be 4X.  What formula might you use to determine its pound breaking strength ?
Sorry to say I don't know this one, but with the wide range of test breaking strengths does a rule of thumb work?
"RULE OF 9'S"...SUBTRACT THE X NUMBER FROM NINE AND YOU GET AN APPROXIMATE VALUE FOR BREAKING STRENGTH.  (LESS RELIABLE THAN IT USED TO BE PRIOR TO THE NEW TIPPET MATERIALS MANY OF WHICH ARE STRONGER/DIAMETER.)
6.)* What, "rule" or formula might you use to come up with the weight in grains for the first 30' of your #6 designated fly line ? (A rough approximation)
Line weight X 30 or 6 X 30 = 180.  I like to use ((Line Weight X 25) + 25) or 6X25 = 150 +25 = 175  It is more accurate on lighter weights.
I AGREE. USING 30 GETS YOU CLOSE IN RANGE FOR A 4 WT. LINE.  IT IS LESS ACCURATE AS YOU GO IN EITHER DIRECTION FROM THAT.  
7.) What is the so-called, "IGFA Formula" for determining the weight in pounds of a game fish ?  You have only the length of the fish and the girth of the fish measured in inches.
Girth Squared X Length/800 = Weight
YES.
8.)* Can you come up with a very general, "rule of thumb" to describe a typical fly leader in terms of percentage for butt section, tapered section, and tippet section ?
60 - 20 - 20
YES.
9.) You are trying for maximum distance.  can you come up with a simple formula for determining the approximate length of your shoot when knowing the amount of line carried on your last back cast ?
Back cast length x 1.333 = total forward cast length. 
I HAVE NOT HEARD OF THAT FORMULA.....I'LL TRY IT AND SEE. (DO YOU HAVE A REFERENCE FOR IT ?)
I'VE USED:  50% OF THE LINE CARRIED FOR THE LENGTH OF THE SHOOT. (THE LENGTH OF THE SHOOT IS THE VALUE I ASKED FOR IN THE QUESTION.)
After typing the above comment, I went out and we tested it.  I took note of the fact that the 1.333 formula means this:
The caster can carry 60' on his last back cast.  His total distance for his presentation would then be 60 X 1.333 which is 70.9 feet.
Now most CCI candidates who pass make a 75' distance cast when carrying about 50'. Your 1.333 formula would mean that they could achieve only 1.333 X 50 = 66.5'
 I can make a 90' cast routinely by carrying 60'.  This makes the 1.333 formula short of the mark, as I see it.  (Most MCI's I've coached can do the same thing once they reach test level.)
                                                        Gordy
 
Tom Cooper
* expected of an MCI candidate.
                                                         Gordy 
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