Hi, Bruce....
Thanks for the timely answers. I'll pass this info on to our Study Group.
Group: Scroll way down for Bruce's answers Each one is prefaced by *****.
Gordy
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Subject: Re: flycasting and instructors' school
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:34:11 -0500
Hi Gordy, I've added some comments within your text below....
Bruce
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Subject
Re: flycasting and instructors'
school
Rick.....
A good question, especially in view of the evidence that the, "density
compensated" label has been debated quite a bit, at least by salt water
fly fishermen.
I have looked at a DENSITY COMPENSATED fly line as one which has been
designed so that the forward taper sinks at a rate close to or the same as
that of the remainder of the line. This is a departure from the
conventional sinking lines which had a mid-belly which would sink a lot
faster than the forward taper. That was simply because the mass profile of
the tip section was less than that of the thicker mid sections.
The conventional sinking lines would result in a retrieve during which the
forward taper, leader, and fly would spend less time in a deep strike zone,
whereas the density compensated line gets the end of the fly line and
leader/fly down almost as quickly as the belly of the line resulting in a
more straight retrieve with the fly in that deep strike zone for a greater
length of time.
I think this is what Bruce Richards (3M) meant when he described these
lines as fishing, "very straight compared to more conventional sinking
lines." (p 109, MODERN FLY LINES.) (Also, pp 55-56). Bruce also points
out that a conventional sinking line forms a U shaped curve in the water.
This makes strike detection more difficult.
We had a dramatic increase in strikes while fishing these lines at Montauk
for deep running large striped bass feeding near the bottom in 20 - 30'
depth. Fishing 2 men in the same boat....one with a conventional sinking
line and the other with a density compensated line, erased any doubt of the
effectiveness of these lines for this particular situation. Most of the
guides, there, were using sink tip lines which were even worse for having
the fly in the strike zone long enough. At first they didn't believe us
when we pointed this out......until we grossly outfished them.
Some questions I would have for the manufacturers :
1.) Is this accomplished by increasing the concentration oflead/tungsten
or other high specific gravity material in the forward tapered section in
inverse proportion to the line diameter ?
*****Yes, SA blends two coatings, one denser than the other, to achieve a
higher sink rate at the tip of Uniform Sink lines than at the belly. The
tip of the line is made with 100% higher density coating, then blend in the
lower density coating until it is 100% of the mix farther back in the line.
2.) Do the terms, "density compensated" and "graduated density" and,
"uniform sink" have the same meaning to all the manufacturers ?
*****From my standpoint they do, but I know that some lines claiming these
features don't test showing higher sink rates for the tip than the belly so
can't way for sure what it means to some other mfgs.
3.) Do most of the major manufacturers of fly lines offer these ?
*****Most say they do. However, some don't meet the claims, and some claim
"density compensation" for integrated head type lines where the only change
is from fast sinking to floating.
4.) Are any of these lines designed so that the forward taper is MORE
dense than the remainder of the line ? (Not talking about specific sinking
heads either seperate or combined with floating lines as in the Teeny
lines.)
*****Yes, our Uniform Sink lines are full sinking, but with the front ends
more dense than the remainder of the line.
5.) Is lead still being used at all by any manufacturer ?
****I believe that the only lead still being used in any fly line would be
for Cortlands LC-13, if that can be considered a fly line. I don't think
any powdered lead is being used by anyone, for employee health and
environmental reasons.
6.) I've heard that uranium is sometimes used. Is this true ?
*****I've never heard that and strongly doubt it. Uranium and tungsten have
almost the exact same density and tungsten is quite safe and easy to use,
although expensive. Considering all the issues that would come with uranium
use, and the current state of the uranium market, I doubt anyone has even
seriously considered it. In a quick web search I was unable to find a
potential supplier.
Bruce
Note that I'm sending a copy of this to Bruce Richards to see if he'll help
us with our questions.
Gordy
From: "Rick Whorwood" <whorwood@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: flycasting and instructors' school
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:31:20 -0600
HI Gordy
I have a question for you (and or the group) please
Explain in detail what it means, when the manufactures say that their
sink tips are density compensated.
Thanks
Rick
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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:45 PM
Subject: FW: flycasting and instructors' school
Hi, Group.....
I'm forwarding this advance notice to all of you who are CCI's and MCI's.
This course is sure to provide some fabulous instruction which can't help
but contribute greatly to the ongoing efforts of Master Candidates, and
also serve as up to the minute advanced continued education for those of
you who are already MCI's !!!
My only personal regret is that for those dates, I'm heavily committed to
my tarpon fishing guests, since that is right at the height of our yearly
migration.
; Gordy
From: "Charles Easterling" <ceasterling@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Gordon Hill'" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: flycasting and instructors' school
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:36:04 -0600
Good Morning Gordy,
There is going to be what I think is a rather unique flycasting and
instructorsâ?? school held June 9-10, 2006 in Mountain Home, AR. The hosts
for the school will be Bruce Richards, Paul Arden, Al Kyte and myself.
The attendance is limited to CIâ??s and MAâ??s and the attendance will be
limited to 20 participants. If you know of anyone who would be
interested let me know and I will send them some additional information.
&nbs p; Chuck