ol Al...
I can think of several other reasons to, "STOP THE LINE WHILE SHOOTING".
1.) In the event I find my cast is too long and about to, "line" the fish.
2.) If I find that I've made an error in direction which will miss my target.
3.) When casting in a tournament or test, where I feel that my forward cast is less than perfect for a variety of reasons. Here, I'll check the flight if the forward loop, make a back cast, and allow the line to fall behind me. If I abort it on the back cast, it may not count against me, and I'll have another chance.
4.) With TUCK CASTS.
5.) One way of making a, "fly first cast".
6.) If I see (or feel) that I didn't generate enough loop speed for a needed turnover, an early "check" may solve the problem.
7.) When (rarely) making a distance hook cast.
8.) When (rarely) upon making a distance reach mend, and I've elected to check the cast early so that the reach move will draw the fly back to the feeding lane.
9.) One method of making a slack line cast. (Overpowered cast with high loop speed suddenly checked in flight to come tight enough to have, "bounce back" resulting in lots of leader and line slack on the layout.)
Gordy
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Subject: FW: FW: The haul?
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:09:57 -0600
This is a reply by Gary and then a question
I have added his latter Email on the bottom
Try to answer the question before reading the answer.
ol Al
Allen Crise FFF Master Casting Instructor
SOC VP of Education
Hawk Ridge Flycasting School
2508 A County Road 1011
Glen Rose, TX 76043
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From: geaton@xxxxxxx [mailto:geaton@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:34 PM
To: flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: FW: The haul?
Dear Allen,
Okay! I'll bite.
Pure Physics - The haul increases line speed/power. SO for a given casting
stroke it can give you increased length of cast (LOC). ALSO, it can give
you same LOC for a shorter or "deficient" cast stroke.
I remember 2 distinct students - One had a been born without a pectoral
muscle (chest), his haul on the forward stroke was compensatory and
necessary to help load the rod (young teen Boy Scout merit badge class).
Second a man with a compact (smallish) build missing distal index finger.
His haul on the back cast was also very necessary compensation. He was
also wise enough to have a rod built with the guides opposite their usual
placement on the spine of the blank to make his back cast just a little
brisker (pretty smart, huh?).
I would like my students to use the haul for-
1. overcome wind in-line with their forward or back cast.
2. accelerate line to reduce time of exposure to side winds on delivery.
3. increase distance on casts inherently limited in stroke (roll, tower)
4. increase power to turn over certain applications (curve, side-arm,
indicator, wind resistant fly).
5. increase distance LOC when casting beyond their overhang carrying
capacity.
Admittedly, I will apply a single aggressive haul when I feel a cast
deteriorating during line movement. I get about 80% adequate casts and
about 20% weak or tangled. When I feel a line "collision" I go dead stoop
still. Often I don't have a big knot to untangle or it is much more
manageable.
This is my idea of the right follow-up question-
"When and why do you abruptly stop line while it is shooting?"
I have a list that I expect will be duplicated and expanded by the answers.
Gary
> Howdy Gang of long distance casters
> Below is E mail form Dave Bradley. He ends with questions. Read to the
> end of my response.
> ol Al
>
> Allen Crise FFF Master Casting Instructor
> SOC VP of Education
> Hawk Ridge Flycasting School
> 2508 A County Road 1011
> Glen Rose, TX 76043
> 254-897-2045
> geocities.com/rrdoctor
> flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx
> -----Original Message-----
> From: D Bradley [mailto:dallasflyfisher@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:13 AM
> To: Allen Crise
> Subject: The haul?
>
>
> Al I like to teach the double haul on a horizontal plane. Much like I
> have seen you do when you are using that little bitty rod of yours. The
> idea here is to make it easier for the caster to see his hand movements
> in relation to the tip. It is very hard for a caster to watch his tip,
> and his hands at the same time, bringing the rod down close to the
> ground makes it easier to observe.
>
> The idea must be conveyed that the haul only needs to be as long as the
> amount of movement at the tip. How many times have you seen a caster
> Haul 3 feet of line when only 6 inches was needed?
>
> Here is another question that goes along with this. Does the stroke
> length increase, decrease or remain the same if you add a dbl haul
> during your cast? Is this a trick question?
>
> Well what do you think?
> Here is how I would explain it......
>
>
> Stroke might be called the "stabilizing move" of the cast. That it
> removes all the slack and now has the line flowing in ONE direction. I
> will take a look at just the "Single Haul"
> If we require a Tip Travel of 10 ft to get the 30 ft of line going in
> one
> direction (numbers are just a WAG) Then add the 'Power snap', 'pop
> stop', 'Speed up and stop' ,what every you call this acceleration. The
> cast would work just find.
> Now if we take 9 feet of tip travel and add a haul that pulls the slack
> out
> of the line AND added some line speed we have reduced the Stroke and the
> Power needed to complete the cast.
> So yes we could shorten the stroke, reduce rod hand power and still
> make a
> nice cast. OK? Do you agree? IF not do not bother to learn to haul.
> The "Double Haul" is a haul and feed back on the Back cast with a "Haul
> and
> Release" on the forward casting presentation. Yes you can single haul'
> on both forward and backward false casts. I think the jury is still out
> on this wording.
>
> Good one Dave.
>
> ol Al
>
>
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-Al,
Just to be legitimate here are my proposed answers to the question I left
on my previous post.
I abruptly stop shooting line by pinching on the par tin my line hand. I
do this for the following reasons-
to limit distance
to increase turn-over speed
to accentuate reversal of the loop
Limiting distance for accuracy or to avoid crossing something I don't want
to cross. For me it's stumps lines and big fish holding closer than I
thought, for you it is probably alligators.
Increasing turn-over speed to cause a fly to "plop" in a headwind (bass
bug, Clouser minnow on a windy flat, etc.) My single biggest application
is high profile (wind resistant)flies, dropper fly rigs and use of strike
indicators. Added to the larger loop it actually can reduce tangles if
done properly. This also applies to "collapsing" leaders with dry flies to
put the "pile-up" right next to the fly (casting across slower current
speeds).
Reversing the loop applies to tuck casts and to curve casts primarily.
Especially if the curve cast is negative (toward the rod hand side) and
around an object. Stopping the line during an earlier phase of
deceleration, when it has more energy, can really accentuate the
change-of-direction.
No to be too easy on you. Next question-
"Why do you use the phrase 'earlier phase of deceleration'?"
Gary
Howdy Gary
Well worded and Asked
I am just passing this on to the others in the group
ol Al