jim....
Good answers, as I look at it.
Note my detailed comments to Molly's answers, too.
Gordy
From: "JFV" <jfv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Gordon Hill'" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: More questions
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:28:08 -0500
Gordy & Group,
Follow up questions:
1. Rod Plane: Name a STYLE of casting where 2 casting planes are taught. Is there a cast (s) when the rod moves through 3 planes ?
Elliptical casts are certainly taught with 2 ?rod planes?, however this is not a quote ?Style? , An ?elbow low? is a ?Style? and could be done in 2 ?rod planes?
Technically (and we are really getting down to minutia) all casts are done in 2 rod planes as even in vertical, the back and forward casts are separated a bit thus 2 rod planes.
Spey Casts are done in 3 ?Rod Planes ?
2. Line Plane: How would you describe the line plane during a Belgian Cast (oval, swing around) ?
Belgian Cast typically a horizontal rod plane backcast and a vertical (or possibly off-shoulder) rod plane forward cast. In between the two is a ?constant pressure upward curving ?line plane? ?
3. SLP: Is there a straight line path of the rod tip during a curve cast ?
Depends on the type of cast, positive and negative curves usually have a SLP, power and/or stop point is adjusted. In a curving power snap (Joan Wulff) the power snap portion of the cast is curved, thus the SLP is intentionally altered to achieve the result. In other situations curves may be thrown as aerial mends which are not casts per se., in that they manipulate the line after the Stop.
4. SLP: Is there a straight line path during a 'S ' (wiggle) cast ?
Absolutely, there is a SLP in a Wiggle Cast. Wiggle casts are aerial mends, line is manipulated by moving the rod after the stop.
5. Is it important to teach new casters to have the reel (guides) in line with the target ? Would you consider this question relates more to STYLE or substance ?
If the rod guides are not in line with the target, then the reel is not in line with the target, for a new caster this will cause some rotation due to the leverage of the reel below the hand. This will reduce accuracy. As a means of eliminating unnecessary variables in the SLP I would say it is important.
As far as substance and style. The reel position is a matter of style (some very qualified casters rotate the reel in their grip)?
?until it affects the performance off the cast, then it is definitely Substance. (Therefore, Substance for a new caster? an interesting point!
Jim V
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Subject: RE: More questions
Dennis.....
This will place your questions in the hands of our Group.
The answers will be interesting......will take some head scratching.
Your post-note in red is one with which I agree. Joe Brooks was right. As you know, when I teach the placement of the "wiggle" out at a distance, I like to do so by saying, "MAKE IT EARLY AND HIGH". If I want it even farther out, I add, "SHOOT IT OUT".
Gordy
From: "Dennis Grant" <dennisg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: <dennisg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Gordy Hill (E-mail)" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: More questions
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:06 -0400Follow up questions:
1. Rod Plane: Name a STYLE of casting where 2 casting planes are taught. Is there a cast (s) when the rod moves through 3 planes ?
2. Line Plane: How would you describe the line plane during a Belgian Cast (oval, swing around) ?
3. SLP: Is there a straight line path of the rod tip during a curve cast ?
4. SLP: Is there a straight line path during a 'S ' (wiggle) cast ?
5. Is it important to teach new casters to have the reel (guides) in line with the target ? Would you consider this question relates more to STYLE or substance ?
Dennis
As an aside:
Here are my thoughts on the a previous question:
"11.) How do you perform a "WIGGLE CAST" so that the waves of slack line are close to you even though the fly is out at a distance ?
Ans. After stopping the rod, wait until the correct portion of the line is on the way to the target, then wiggle the rod tip.
AGREE. I LIKE TO TEACH IT THIS WAY: IF YOU WISH TO HAVE THE WAVES OF SLACK CLOSE TO YOU, MAKE THE "WIGGLE" MOVEMENTS LATE AND LOW.
12.) You now want the waves of slack line for your "WIGGLE CAST" to be out near the end of the fly line at, say, 50' with the remainder of the line straight to the rod tip. What did you do differently from the cast in 11.) ?
Ans. Wiggle the rod tip early and shoot the wiggle out to the target area. "
If you wiggle the rod TIP you are creating bend and load, the loops are energized therefore will tend to straighten (but with small curves). If you teach this cast by moving the ROD (hand) from side to side you will have a far more dynamic cast. Also more control over how wide and where you want the WIGGLE or 'S 'to appear. My reference: Trout Fishing - Joe Brooks (pg 89) "imparting a side -to-side movement to the rod"
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