Re: FW: long casting

Randy.....

No, I haven't fished with him....but in a skiff just a few feet from him......so I've been able to observe his cast from different angles.

Firstly:  His back cast is often more horizontal than 45 degrees.

Second:  When he does use the 45 degree back cast, it's with a very long cast where he carries at least 60' of line. He lets the loop almost completely unroll......sometimes just a tad longer.........and by the time he starts his forward stroke, the back cast line plane is almost horizontal.

He's no tournament distance caster, but is capable of routinely making 80' + presentations to tarpon accurately.

A very effective tarpon fisherman, to say the least......even on windy days.

                                                                  Gordy

                                                                             

 

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From: "Randy Olson" <bigfly@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Gordon Hill" <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FW: long casting
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:09:18 -0500

Gordy,

I assume you have fished with Billy Pate.  How far can he effectively cast with his 45 degree (high) backcast?

-Randy

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Subject: FW: long casting
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:31:49 -0500

Hi, ol Al.......

I'd add these:

1.) BEND your rod.

2.) Come to a crisp stop.

3.) Raise your arm and aim the rod tip at the target on the followthrough.

                                                                Gordy

                                                                  

 

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Subject: FW: long casting
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:11:29 -0600

From Dave

I like this because it is short and right on.

 

I want to know:

 

What you do to make longer cast?

There are many variables here.  In no specific order.

1. Longer Casting stroke.

2. Used a line with a longer belly

3. Used more body with a wider stance and stepping into it a bit.

4. Increase Line Speed

5. Shoot line both forward and back cast.

6. Tighten up your loops.

7. Drifting

8. Turn wrist after the stop putting guides onto side of rod to keep line slap to minimum

 

What are the mechanics that make the long cast work?

1. Long Cast Long= Long Stroke/Pause

2. Loading the rod deeper (hauls and dble hauls included) creates more energy. Line Speed

3. Shooting line allows more line to be airborne without overloading the rod or passing the "hinge"

 

What can you tell us that will help us or your student make longer cast?

1. SLP SLP SLP

2. Change trajectory to a slightly uphill angle on forward cast.

3. Don't be affraid to shoot line on the back cast and forward cast.

4. Try to lay the rod back a bit more with drifting, reach back to get the longest stroke possible while maintaining SLP

5. If the back cast is bad, Don't try to make the cast!

Allen Crise <flysoup@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Howdy gang;

 Here are some good Reponses to making a longer cast

 

from Rod

What do you do to make a longer cast?  This is the mental list I go through that has helped me.  I'm teaching my mom and dad to cast and it seems to be improving theirs as well. (so far)

 

1) Sharpen my stops on the backcast

2) Wait longer to allow the rod to load up (better drift)

3)  Don't overpower the stroke into the second stop.

4) Sharpen my stop on the forward cast

 

I got one from Dave that was really good Dave if you can resend it I must have dropped in some file that I do not use ... Bummer is was right on. I wanted to make a copy of it.

 

ol Al

 

 

Allen Crise FFF Master Casting Instructor

SOC VP of Education

Hawk Ridge Flycasting School

2508 A County Road 1011

Glen Rose, TX 76043

254-897-2045

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