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    • Re: Guide rings

    Walter...

    I appreciate the timely input.

    During the past few years, I've worked a great deal with titanium and Ti Ni as well as 6 Aluminum/4 vanadium Titanium alloys in doing research on orthopaedic joint prostheses.........and I've learned a lot.

    For one thing, commercially pure titanium is VERY notch sensitive.....this means that even a little scratch on the surface can act as a stress riser which can end up with fatigue fracture early in the game as the piece is subjected to even slight bending moments.  The Ni/Ti alloy used in the REC "RECOIL" guides is not nearly so sensitive....yet is very hard and wear resistant, while at the same time being both corrosion resistant and capable of innumerable bends with return to it's original shape without fatigue fracture or exceeding it's elastic limit.

    Interestingly enough, the reason titanium is so apparently corrosion resistant, is that upon contact with even the small amounts of electrolytes in most atmospheres, it quickly develops a thin colorless resistant coating of titanium oxide and hallides which give it that characteristic sheen and sort of warm feeling.  That is a form of ceramic which gives lasting protection, especially since it immediately forms again if ever worn off.  This is also one reason that their stripper guides do not require a seperate ceramic ring inserted.

                                                                        Gordy




     

    From: WALTER/SUE SIMBIRSKI <simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
    To: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
    Subject: Re: Guide rings
    Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:05:16 -0600
    Gordy - a follow up on the American Tackle Titan guides. At this time they have
    some quality issues to work out. My friend found that on a set of guides for a
    9 foot rood that the ceramic rings fell out of two of the guides and a third
    guide broke at the bend at the foot with fairly minimal effort. Since he builds
    a lot of rods, and this was his first experience with the guides, he was purposely stressing the guides but he doesn't feel comfortable building a rod with these
    guides until the quality issues are addressed.

    Cheers

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    Subject: Re: Guide rings
    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:26:04 -0400

    Walter.....

    Good idea.  I'll try those rubber bands.

                                                          Gordy




     

    From: Walter Simbirski <simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
    To: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
    Subject: Re: Guide rings
    Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:17:58 -0600

    Gordy - the new guides require little or no grinding or shaping. You also don't need Forhan locking wraps to keep the guide in place.
     
    I've always had little success with glue because it either locks the guide
    in place (usually out of line with the other guides  :-P~~  ) or it lifts the guide up ever so slightly so that there is a gap in the thread when wrapping
    the transition from blank to guide. Using very thin strips of masking tape works well but my friend the rod builder has by far the best method. He has
    a daughter who works for an orthodontist and gets him the tiny little elastics that the orthodontist uses. Put the elastic on the rod where the
    guide is going, slip the guide foot under the elastic, align the guides, and start wrapping. When the thread gets close to the elastic just
    cut it off. No tape residue or glue left behind. Works with the tiniest guides. For double foot guides use one on each foot.
     
    Cheers!
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:15 PM
    Subject: Re: Guide rings

    Walter....

    I've found that it's much more difficult to wrap them, since they are so like a spring, and the feet have to be carefully filed or ground down before using them.  With the single foot ones, I had to be really careful grinding them to shape as the foot is made of the two ends of the turned wire which have been spot welded near the tip.  If you grind too much, you can break the little spot weld.  Like anything, it's different, so takes practice.  I like to use strips of masking tape cut 3/16th" wide.  I've tried glueing them on then wrapping, but that's more of a hassle.

                                                                                 Gordy




     

    From: Walter Simbirski <simbirsw@xxxxxxx>
    To: Gordon Hill <hillshead@xxxxxxx>
    Subject: Re: Guide rings
    Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:48:10 -0600

    I've used the Recoil guides. They make great stripper guides and are very light and indestructable.
     
    The ones I was referring to can be seen on line at:
     
     
     
    I haven't tried them myself yet (quantities are currently limited) but I have a friend who is heavily into rod building and
    he tells me that they are significantly lighter than ones made with aluminum frames. I'm planning to whip up a rod or two
    with them over the winter. I'll let you know what I think once I actually have them in hand.
     
    Walter
     
     
     
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    Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:21 PM
    Subject: Guide rings

    Walter.....

    It just struck me that you were talking about titanium frame stripper guides in which one could rotate the rings.

    The REC "Recoil" guides are one piece with no rings.  The wire guides are either double or single footed, and come in 2 thicknesses.  The stripper guides look a bit like the old, "Aetna Foulproof " spinning rod guides.....but are very different in that they are formed of Ti/Ni alloy.  You can crush them right down to the blank and they'll spring right back without losing their original shape.  I field tested them several years ago, and have been unable to wear a groove in them even with big game fish running out Spectra backing under a lot of pressure.

                                                                               Gordy