ol Al.....
No need to eat the whole "humble pie"..........I think most of us understood what you meant, Al...
Gordy
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Subject: Re: Re: Masters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:05:22 -0500
Howdy Jeff and Gang
I am sorry and ask forgiveness if I implied that cast distance was not control
or that making very long cast was not impressive. That it did not take a lot of
pratice to get it right. OH I have again opened mouth to change feet.
What I was trying to say and let me say it is just 'my humble opinion'. That when
you become a MASTER you are held to making every cast a Great Cast. It just comes
with the title. What I was warning about is if you as just a caster make a cast
no one will say too much if it is off a little. When you put on the Master's Hat
you are held to making every cast Great. {At least I feel that way]. To this I
was saying make controlled casts that YOU can handle. If you pratice at home and
are able to make a full line cast eveytime then THAT is your CONTROL in Public
do not try to make a 120 ft cast with a right hook and left aerial mend of 4 ft.
Sure you might pull if off. But looking controlled is the key here. When in the
public you are a FFF MASTER Keeping the image is important to the FFF and your self
esteem. Just my advice from years of casting in public and at several classes. I
will still push for CONTROL in your own personal zone. You are right pratice make
you a better caster.
ol Al
Jeff.....
Yours is a very mature way of looking at casting. All concerned should read your
message and heed it.
There is an undediable glow attainable when one exceeds his/her personal best,
whatever the task.
One of the reasons distance casting has been emphasized is that to be successful
at it.....whatever the final goal, the caster has to do a lot of things just right,
including the demonstration of control. You pointed this out at the start of your
discussion.
The achievement of any desired layout.....distance, curved about a target, perfect
placement to a feeding lane.....the bottom line becomes the magic word of expert
casting :-
CONTROL
Gordy
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From: Jeff Wagner
To: jerry puckett
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Subject: Re: Masters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:27:58 -0600
If I could entertain a few more thoughts! And keep in mind this is a discussion
of casting nothing else!
Making a mend around a cone MAY be just as difficult as throwing a 100' cast.
To say doing one uses more control than another would be inaccurate. Control
is indicative of any cast, pushing any cast to an extreme shows control.
I will be the first to admit that practicing distance casting is REALTIVE to the
CASTER. For some it may be 30' for others 130'. The pursuit of the increased
distance by all accounts increases the casters ability, that is fact! Just as
practicing accuracy may be relative to the student, for some a 48" target may
be a challenge while others a 12" target may be a challenge. PRACTICING is
what counts!
I am not sure I know the definition of show casting. While you may call an 80'
cast a long cast, for others that may be their false casting distance, and 110'
may be a warmup cast. For others 80' may seem like an unattainable distance!
Making super long casts can be for show but also holds a great deal of merit in
the casters ability. As does making super accurate casts or perfectly executed
presentation casts. Does a fisherman need to hit a target that is 3" in
diameter? Not usually, to fish it may only be necessary to hit a 24" target,
but do people practice casting to smaller targets, I sure do. Does that make
it show casting? Not at all! Do we really NEED to know 20 different
presentation casts? No, but they sure help your control of the line for the
presenation casts you use most often! This parrallel can be extended to if a
fisherman can hit a 3" target he will be far more adept when a trout is rising
in a feeding lane to size 24 tricos than a fisherman that struggles to hit a
24" target. As is true of a fisherman that can cast 110'. When the wind
starts blowing 20mph and he is working to fish 50' out he will be much more
adpet than someone that struggles to cast to 80' on a calm day. As is true of
a fisherman that practices accurate aerial mends.
At the conclave I gave a class on casting distance (in truth it was about
control and efficiency), the title of the class was Distance Casting: Not just
for show! In the class we covered many things, most importantly how the
pursuit of distance increases control, helps a caster find his or her
particular casting style, and cast more efficiently (very important to distance
casting and something that relates back to all casting!!!). I also gave a
handout that outlined 9 exercises to practice, non of which was just going out
and throwing the long line. They were all aspects on steps to throw the long
line, that would improve the stroke of any caster and aid in the pursuit of any
cast.
There is an appeal to distance casting for some, just as there is an appeal to
accuracy casting or presentation casts for others, we should not questions
someones interest in a certain avenue of our sport or say one thing is more
difficult than another when it is unmeasureable.
Also, keep in mind those that have been the best distance casters in the world
have also proven to be the best accuracy casters in the world and just some of
the best casters (period). Steve Rajeff, Tim Rajeff, Chris Korich all of the
ACA, cast incredible distances and throw incredible accuracy. Watching Rick
Hartman throw the long line is incredible, but I watched him throw accuracy at
the conclave and it was very impressive. People like Lance Egan who was
mentioned earlier is a great distance caster having won the Best of the West
qualifiers, but in competitions like the ESPN outdoor games he has also proven
he can throw GREAT accuracy. Clay Roberts also in this group, I have cast with
when he has hit 118' feet plus, but he also won the Orvis Cup casting
competition last year at the fly fishing retailer show on Accuracy, beating out
great casters like Rajeff.
Distance casting appeals to some, but has benefits to all who practice it, just
as practicing ALL casts and aspects of ALL casts benefits all who take the time
to practice.
Jeff Wagner
Master Certified Fly Casting Instructor, Federation of Fly Fishers
Fly Fishing Buyer, Jax Outdoor Gear
Fly Fishing Guide, Jax Outdoor Gear
Redington Pro Staff
Quoting jerry puckett :
>Master Al Crise can cast as well as anyone and back up what he says
>with his casting. What he won't tell you is he is quick learner and
>as fine a gentlemen as you will meet. We, meaning Harvey Harris, his
>driftboat, myself and Al fished the Yellowstone River after the
>Conclave and Al had never been in a driftboat so he rowed his share
>while I fished, poor Al. He faced some challenging white water and
>handled it like a pro, boy was I, and the rowing pro Harvey, really
>proud of him! He missed all the rocks on purpose! He is no fun!
>Now for a little pespective-- long cast, corkscrew curvecast, short
>accurate cast etc. some of us when we cast are casting not primarily
>for mastery of casting mechanics but we are Casting For Cure!
>Casting can be a wonderful peace maker and bring balance to life and
>this includes all fishing aspect. It is the joy of the short cast,
>the joy of the long cast, it is the joy of simply doing and being
>alive and feeling the tempo of casting and the rythm
> it can bring to spirits and bodies needing healing. If you were
>to ask me what will be your mark as a Teacher, it would be that I
>would hope to encourage one to find himself in casting, his grip and
>his own unique style that only he or she can bring to life and find
>what he loves best and enjoy ENJOY THE JOURNEY! It can and
>surprisingly may lead to a new inner destination called healing,
>peace and perspective. For me I love balance in life in all areas
>and for teaching this means Mastery in all the joyful disciplines of
>casting. Should not all aspects of casting have equal importance?
>What is your answer? I know my answer and ti guides me. I am like
>Martin Luther King when he said, " I have seen the promise land, I
>may not get there with you." When you have had cancer you realize
>your journey can be cut short and so I am focused on and enjoying
>the journey. Can I teach and help a person discover, through
>casting, a better life with the possibility of some peace and
>healing
> in the process. I hope I am right in saying this can apply to
>anyone. I simply say to every person, you are uniquely one of a you
>kind here now never to be replaced, find what makes you happy and
>chase it with your passionate heart. If you received this e-mail you
>know you are special and have my everlasting thanks for your kind
>and patient help-- you are the wonderful people who bring your
>special signature stamp to my learning process as I journey and
>continue to Cast For Cure. Jerry Puckett
>
>dsprague01@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:I can't help but to get into this one,
>just a little.
>
>I think you both have excellent points.
>
>Regarding distance casting: Throwing the whole fly line down here
>in Florida, when wind permits, doesn't raise many eyebrows among
>good casters. Its fairly common to throw most of the fly line when
>fishing open bays, blind casting or spot casting to fish breaking
>water. Very simply - the longer you can throw, the more water you
>can cover and the more opportunities you'll have.
>
>Another good reason for practicing at long distances....if you
>practice enough, being able to cast a long line can become almost
>automatic...you don't even think about it......then, when a fish
>appears at long range, you can concentrate on accuracy, and avoid
>struggling to do two things at the same time.
>
>As Lefty pointed out a good while back..there are no disadvantages
>in being able to cast a long line -- only advantages.
>
>My best to you both,
>Dusty
>-------------- Original message --------------
>Jeff,
> I do not feel that 80 ft is a 'hail Mary over 110 ft would be a
>'show cast'. If you can do it. fine. But most of the Masters I know
>do not need to do this kind of casting in most cases. The idea of
>making the controlled cast are a better way to influence your
>students. Making hooks, and mends catch fish. Making "Show cast" are
>the results of good casting mechanics, I agree. Small problems can
>create major flaws in what would be a NICE controlled cast. For the
>new to this level of casting I will still say make it look good.
>Make it controlled. I feel that I have nothing to prove by making a
>100ft+ cast. Placing the mend around a spot or an hook that lands
>the fly in the target with the slack where it needs to be is more of
>show of control and I can teach control.
> ol Al
>Allen R. Crise FFF Master Fly Casting Instructor
>Hawk Ridge Tackle &Flycasting School
>2508 A CR 1011
>Glen Rose, Tx, 76043
>
>
>254-897-2045
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>CC: "JEFFERY BAREFOOT" , "Gordy Hill"
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>Subject: Masters
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:40:27 +0000
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