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Walter & Group...
[GH] I'm back. Hope all of you had a great holiday season and will have a healthy, happy and productive New Year !
Starting where we left off in completing our last topic:-
"[GH] Return message on CREEP from Steve Smith:
Thanks for the input Gordy. I need a little clarification of creep because I thought it is moving the rod in the opposite direction of the line before the line has completely unrolled. You say the caster can come forward too soon with or without creep but if the line is still unrolling is that not creeping? Thx Steve"
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"[GH] You are correct in that creep IS movement of the rod in the direction of the next cast usually before the back cast loop has unfurled.
Putting it in different words, creep is slow movement of the rod in a direction opposite that of an unrolling or nearly unrolled loop.
The key word, here, is SLOW.
The caster can also creep later, as the back cast loop has almost fully unfurled.
Creep can occur either following a back cast or following a forward cast. The latter is rare. (Some have called that, "reverse creep").
Creep is minimally powered movement, however, with no more rod acceleration than "zero to slow"... so it cannot result, by itself, in "cracking the whip" and losing the fly.
It is possible to creep and then start your powered cast while the back cast loop has not nearly unfurled and snap off the fly.....but the "snap off" wasn't caused by the creep. That would be an example of two different casting faults occurring during the same cast. (Might even result in snapping off the fly as the result of one fault AND having a tailing loop as the result of a second fault.)
I look at the main problem with creep as shortening available casting arc for the next cast. Some popular descriptions of creep include shortening both stroke length and casting arc. (Depends upon your "definition" of casting stroke). The final result is usually a tailing loop. Not the "bull whip" effect.
That tailing loop is caused by the caster using up some of the casting arc needed to move the amount of line carried as he creeps. In order to throw that much line, he must use increased force over a shorter distance resulting in a dip and upward return of the rod tip path...i.e. a concave tip path. This, in turn, yields a line wave which propagates out in the direction of the cast resulting in a cross-over between the fly leg and the rod leg sometimes with a collision and a so-called, "wind knot".
Gordy"
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[GH] Comments:
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[GH] From Phil Gay:
Gordy,
Have a great trip wherever you are off to.
Superb discussion of creep by you. It could just as easily been myself talking. Of course you and I do see eye to eye on a lot of this stuff.
Merry Christmas and all the best in 2012.
Phil
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[GH] From Steve Smith:
Wow thanks for the very detailed explanation. I understand. Thank you. Steve
Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.
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NOW ON TO A NEW FAULT TOPIC WITH OUR NEXT MESSAGE
Gordy
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