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Walter & Group...
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Bob Middo weighs in on acceptance of 3' loops and on tasks beyond the scope of the MCI exam:
Hello Gordy,
My personal feeling as an examiner is no, BUT, the test does stipulate that 3' loops are acceptable, therefore as an examiner I must abide by that definition of a narrow loop. The reason I personally believe 2' loops or smaller should be achieved by the MCI candidate is that under our old CI Exam, a narrow loop was considered to be 2' or less. If this was expected for a CI back then, then an MCI candidate should be able to do that or better.
As for asking something that is beyond the scope of the task, we at LBCC will always state to the candidate that its just that, and it will not be held against him or her. If and when we do this, its because we wish to see the depth of their knowledge or skill level, and ONLY after the initial task was successfully completed. Like Gordy, I assume other Examiners may not be so inclined, so I would just do as they ask.
NOTE: If the additional task is confusing, don't be afraid to ask for additional clarification, or even a demonstration. As an Examiner, I wouldn't ask the candidate to do something I couldn't do myself.
Bob
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[GH] Bob,
As examiners, I think we should all do as you do at LBCC and notify the candidate of an off-test task after the task on the exam has been done and passed.
Gordy
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>From Bernd Ziesche:
Hi Gordy,
to measure loop size we need at least three things:
1. Slow motion video.
2. Define how loop size is measured: What part of the loop are you referring to? (loop will never be stable, it's unrolling)
3. Set up the angle of filming under defined conditions!
>From all slowmos I have seen: loop size of 3 feet if talking about the biggest distance between the fly-leg and rod-leg during unrolling is quite good. But still the very tip section can be pointy (smaller).
I rather would prefer to read "pointy" and non pointy loops to be requested. Would want a Master instructor to be able to play with both and change the loop shape (which includes loop size anyway).
Greets
Bernd
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[GH] Bernd,
Even with video, I think it would be necessary to have something behind the loop with graduated marks.
You are correct, I''m sure, that the angle of observation with respect to the unrolling loop would be very important. Best way would seem to be with vertical plane casting and the observation or camera level be close to that of the loop out to the side.
Also correct that most loops don't have strictly parallel legs and that the legs might be fairly parallel at one point in time and then not at another as the loop unrolls. The loop may even have a sharp point but the legs divergent and, therefore, out of parallel to a significant degree.
It simply isn't practical to have a mechanism for actually measuring the loops as we examine candidates.
Rather than pretending to be "scientifically correct" as we teach or examine, we are reduced to personal judgement as we observe unrolling loops.
Putting it in other words: Since we can't really measure the loops when testing, we must base our conclusions on the apparent size of the loops.
Example: We now have been informed that a loop which, to the examiner, appears to be about 2' in width will likely actually be about 3'.
Where to judge the size of the loop ? Not stated. I do it a short distance behind the unrolling edge. Exactly how far ? I don't really know.
Gordy
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>From Dusty Sprague in regard to the advice I gave our candidate :
Gordy's responses are right on !
Dusty
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