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Walter & Group...
[GH] A few more messages on this subject before we close it out .
This from Gary Davison :
Gordy,
Is Tim looking for the following ?
(Visual) Demo the cast and have the student watch my line on 3 cast, now watch my rod hand on 3 cast. Watch how long I wait to allow the cast to happen. Now watch my rod hand again, Now watch my line again. Now my hand again.
(Verbal) tell them the reason for the action for each part of the cast as you are doing it. Keep it compact, precise, short & to the point for each sequence of the cast. May have to explain why we need to do it this way (Cognitive).
Now have them do it with the rod only with no line out the tip top. Now have them do it with the line out the rod tip top. If they still need some help, (Kinesthetic) get permission to ride along with the student. Help them feel the cast a few times. Then let them do it on their own a few times. If they need it? Help again.
Hopefully by this time they've got it.
Then leave them alone. Give them some space and time to absorb it all.
However, as Lefty stated below giving some students just enough of the important details, so they can figure it out on their own, some times has more impact on the student. It all depends on the student.
Gary
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[GH] From Rene Hesse :
Tim,
I don't think we spoke of the 'hands on' technique to help give them the feel of the
direction or launch angle, rotation or lack of, and over all feel of a good back cast.
I like hearing the 'fixes' we are covering. The biggest thing is getting the student to
'see' the fault and understand what we are trying to get it to look like. Then they can
take it with them and apply it later.
Rene
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[GH] Yes. One of the problems with "direct teaching" is that it doesn't usually give the student sufficient understanding to allow him/her to go forth with self critique and self teaching.
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[GH] From Peter Morse:
Gordy, I have found that with a difficult 'wristing' student the pick up and lay down cast is a good antidote to break the habit.
Peter
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[GH] Peter,
Agree. The PULD back cast timing and trajectory are important things to critique. *
* PULD = Pick Up & Lay Down
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[GH] From Charlie Shedd :
Dear Gordy The problem of line hitting the ground on the back cast is a good one. I look at it a little differently. To correct I would use 2 ropes like a set of rail road tracks ( thank you Lefty) I have been using this with much luck.The comments I get back are pretty much the same " Oh, now I understand and I can SEE what is happening"
Once the person can See what is happening,then it is easier for me to correct. To attempt to correct a problem when the person cannot see things to me makes very little sense . As far as casting side arm the person will have to learn this any way. The main problem I have found in going from horizontal to vertical is the person tends to move the rod in an arc. Solution to move up from horizontal in small increases Thanks for all the great stuff charlie
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[GH] Mike Heritage speaks to some missing techniques :
Hi Gordy,
I am glad you suggested that there were some missing techniques in the correction of the fault.Fly casting has to mirror itself back and front. Beginners (and intermediates for that matter) tend to focus on what they can see in front of them, and sometimes, with a bit of encouragement, learn to adjust their stroke to get better results, i.e., tighter loops on the forward stroke. However,most never look at their back cast, they just make the assumption that it is ok. If we can alter their stance so that they are open enough to glance at their back cast they will then see what we see and are often able to correct the fault themselves after we have explained what they were doing and what they should be doing. Hopefully once they start to produce a decent and dynamic back cast we can then work on using less effort which will then tighten the loops even more.
Another method of course is side casting where, once again, they can see both back and fore casts and the hand/eye correlation can assist them to make adjustments with the assistance of the instructors advise.
Mike
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[GH] From Clarence Button :
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I suspect that the primary cause of the wide loops and back cast on the
ground may be that the necessary arm movements had not been taught from
the start.
In this situation, possible solutions I have used with success, whether
prior to the client touching a rod or anytime thereafter, include:
i. use the old aids of pitching water from a glass, or
ii. throwing a tethered PVC collar off a plastic pipe to a specified
target or direction, or
iii. showing the student how to lean with elbow on a table and move
forearm rapidly forward to abrupt stop, such that the elbow lifts
momentarily off the table with the momentum
iv. progress to throwing ping-pong balls into a distant basket using the
same arm movement (both arms)
v. use the proprioceptive memory developed to make initial forward casts.
vi reverse directions for back casts
All these activities imbue the desired casting movements for the beginner.
It saves time and client frustration in having to make corrections later
on, after the bad habit has been learned.
NB. The theme: Pictures and movement kids remember well;
instructional words are merely codes for these movements which they have
to translate to understand. I strive to minimize words (God knows I need
to) ; maximize movement memory from demos and structured activities.
Strangely enough, same seems to be valuable with novice adults.
Clar Button
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