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Walter & Group...
[GH] From Bernd Ziesche :
Hi Gordy,
thanks for your quick answer. I think Paul nailed an important point:
All our tasks are about being able to perform and teach several certain casts and they are not focused on teaching definitions. Good definitions are good tools for each task of course.
If one day we all use the same definitions - great, but I think we maybe never will (and this might even be more grateful). The FFF is worldwide...
And also Mac points out a very important experience with those candidates I agree with should have mastered the test (carefully spoken without having seen them of course...). As long as they can get the result and teach students in an easy way to get it, too - that's the big question behind the whole exam, isn't it?
I am not saying that an overpowered curve would make it when asking for an underpowered curve even if the result may be the same on a windless day. But if I as an examiner can't find a 100% clear description of what the task asks for (as long as there is some space*) - everything is fine as long as the candidate can perform and teach it in a good way.
*To have space leaves room for great possibilities to learn for all of us!
Thanks
Bernd
p.s. Your way of hosting this "forum" is fantastic! You always share very good points and at the same time you are truly open minded to other views. Keep on! (after you released the Tarpon ;) ).
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Betreff: Task 5 Discussion 6
Gesendet: Fr, 25. Feb 2011
Von: Gordy Hill
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[GH] Thanks.
I did find some large tarpon laid up on the flats, today. Unusual for February ! Got one to take but lost the fish on the third jump. Just finding and seeing these beautiful creatures in a pristine circumstance is a joy !!!!!
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[GH] Several of you have asked what I meant by, " at least six different ways " of making curve casts.
I'll briefly list the ones which come to mind.
# Underpowered curve casts.
- Done with a vertical rod plane.
- " " " horizontal rod plane.
# Overpowered curve casts.
- As a pure cast with no mend
- As a "Cast/mend" (Best for sharp hook layouts.)
# Powered curve casts.
- Wrist flip cast (no mend)
- Wrist twist (Probably no mend)
- Forearm flip (no mend)
- Each done with a mend (Cast/mend)
# Vertical curve casts.
- Downward curve (Fly first cast and Tuck cast/mend)
- Upward curve cast. (One of my favorites as I use what Joan Wulff would call an "Upward curving power snap". I use it to place a weighted fly out to bonefish. The idea is go have the loop unfurl with the fly turning upward a short distance, then stalling and falling gently to the water.)
# "Circular" curve casts
- Corkscrew curve cast with no mend move.
- " " " with a mend.
Many of these can be done over either shoulder and to the right or left.
Gordy
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[GH] Walter Simbirski brings up some important points relative to the MCI test in general and specifically the curve cast task.
Mac and some others bring up a good point about using pull back to enhance a curve. In a sense
this goes against the letter of this task because we are using a movement after rsp (i.e. a mend)
to enhance the curve. But this brings up one of my basic problems with the masters' test and
that is that it contains a lot of repetition from the CI test except that we have to do the tasks over
a longer distance (e.g. the accuracy task is the same except farther, the distance cast is the same
except farther, etc.).
My issue with this is not that we should ignore the stuff from the CI test completely
(because one of the basic reasons for becoming an MCI is to show our readiness to mentor others
who want to become CIs and MCIs) but that because the test can be quite long we don't get a chance
to really explore the newer (i.e. above and beyond the CI test) things such as the candidate's knowledge
and abilities of curve casts.
The candidate is expected to demonstrate a very small (but essential) building
block in curve casts, i.e. can you make a simple overpowered curve and a simple underpowered curve
without adding in complex additional movements. A bit of discussion follows and the candidate may be
asked if they can demonstrate other ways of making the curves (without using a mend) and then
on to the next task.
All well and good but when we are fishing or when we are teaching a student
do we stop there? I know I don't because we will then look at aspects of the curve such as accuracy,
i.e. how to get the fly to go where you want AND how to get the curve where you want it AND how to get
the line layout you want AND how equipment choices and environmental factors such as wind affect
your ability to throw curves AND how to combine the curve casts with mends AND how to get a curve
at distance AND why you would ever want to throw a curve in the first place AND how to use the
curve to enhance your fishing experience AND any special considerations for hooking up with a
fish and landing it when you have a huge curve in your line around an object in the water...
Walter
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